Guest gloria Posted November 17, 2013 at 01:04 AM Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 at 01:04 AM Have a board member who has broken confidentiallity clause numerous times. Holding vote to have them removed. Do they have a right to vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted November 17, 2013 at 01:35 AM Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 at 01:35 AM Depends on how you got to your present position. If you went through the (long, involved) process of Chapter 20, he may (citation needed by someone who knows Ch. 20 back and forth) lose the right to vote during that process. If you are following the process on p. 574, then he does NOT lose the right to vote on his "removal". Which proces are you following? Stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted November 17, 2013 at 05:14 PM Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 at 05:14 PM If you went through the (long, involved) process of Chapter 20, he may (citation needed by someone who knows Ch. 20 back and forth) lose the right to vote during that process. In formal disciplinary procedures, the accused must leave the room after the closing arguments and may not return until voting is completed (RONR, 11th ed., pgs. 667-668). Therefore, he cannot vote on the question of guilt or the penalty. If you are following the process on p. 574, then he does NOT lose the right to vote on his "removal". Agreed, although I would think the board member should not vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted November 19, 2013 at 01:43 PM Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 at 01:43 PM Agreed, although I would think the board member should not vote. I think this has come up here before (what hasn't!) and one's answer seems to hinge on whether one thinks that voting (presumably against) one's removal from office is analogous to voting (presumably for) one's election to office (the latter being quite appropriate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted November 19, 2013 at 04:06 PM Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 at 04:06 PM I think this has come up here before (what hasn't!) and one's answer seems to hinge on whether one thinks that voting (presumably against) one's removal from office is analogous to voting (presumably for) one's election to office (the latter being quite appropriate). Yes, and I don't think it is analogous to voting for one's election to office. RONR is clear that the rule regarding "personal or pecuniary interest" does not apply when a member is a candidate for an office for which other members are generally eligible. For an election, the question is not whether Mr. X shall be elected, but who shall be elected, and Mr. X is just one possibility. In the case of removal, however, the question is whether Mr. X shall be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted November 19, 2013 at 04:08 PM Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 at 04:08 PM Holding vote to have them removed. The board is, or the membership is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted November 19, 2013 at 04:10 PM Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 at 04:10 PM Yes, and I don't think it is analogous to voting for one's election to office. Your analysis is persuasive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Deardorff Posted August 27, 2014 at 02:15 PM Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 at 02:15 PM If the President has his agenda to present, but a boardmember feels his oppinion should be spoken and interrupts the president, without consulting president, is this insubordination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted August 27, 2014 at 02:37 PM Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 at 02:37 PM The line ( a fuzzy one) between insubordination and healthy debate is a tough one to draw. RONR doesn't define "insubordination" so it means whatever your association wants it to. And the association puts tthe line where it wishes.BTW, Best that you post a new question in a New Topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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