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George Mervosh

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  1. Later on he did, but in his initial post he said they didn't apply. If you're not content with just FAQ #17 (I don't know why anyone wouldn't be), see RONR (11th ed.), pp. 229-230 where the example specifically states the reason for entering into executive session is to consider a resolution.
  2. If you're quoting from this horrible source, I don't know anyone here who can help you.
  3. The motion status remains unchanged. If notice was given and the motion was postponed to the next meeting, no further notice is necessary. If it wasn't given, it's status would not change either when it's postponed to the next meeting.
  4. Without seeing the exact text of the rule and in context, it's hard to answer this. But let's say the meeting is called to order and immediately a point of order is made and subsequently well taken and either not appealed or upheld on appeal that this is not a regular or properly called meeting. Isn't it possible to adopt a motion to Fix The Time To Which To Adjourn and have that adjourned meeting far enough out that the group can provide the correct notice to be compliant? I would think that is in order even if the meeting at that point in time is deemed to be not a regular or properly called meeting. But I'm not sure and I don't know why.
  5. Next time get a vice chair who will just step in when the chair leaves the hall to use the restroom or elect someone chair who has a stronger bladder. (Of course this isn't helpful, but neither is third hand information)
  6. It's just one vote on the whole thing. " In moving the adoption of a resolution, the preamble is not usually mentioned, since it is included in the resolution. " RONR (11th ed.), p. 108
  7. The latter. See RONR (11th ed), pp. 594-596, particularly the example on p. 595.
  8. In this case, the exact text of the motion as it was put to a vote by the chair is recorded along with whether it was adopted or defeated (lost). There is no need to mention the vote required to adopt the motion in question. If the vote was counted the count will be recorded in the minutes as well.
  9. Because, Paul, it's not sufficient, but it required a timely point of order which was not forthcoming, per your facts. So if the motion was declared adopted, it's adopted, and it's too late now to do anything about it as stated in the Official Interpretation previously cited.
  10. Mr. Martin explains it quite nicely here. https://robertsrules.forumflash.com/topic/30898-unusual-voting-threshold/?tab=comments#comment-179293
  11. No. A motion to adjourn isn't always necessary (pp. 241-242) but the presiding officer should declare it adjourned, but it's too late now to worry about that. The fact you were "in-camera" isn't relevant. When everyone left that meeting it was effectively adjourned. You start fresh at the next regular or properly called meeting.
  12. "Members cannot be assessed any additional payment aside from their dues unless it is provided for in the bylaws. " RONR (11th ed.), p. 572 To assess a fee that's not specifically authorized by the bylaws will require the organization to amend its bylaws to allow it or it cannot be assessed.
  13. Does the book actually say forever? Oh and I suppose you don't have any issues keeping all 481 million pages in substantial books or binders in your basement, right?
  14. The rules in question may not be suspended, so suspending them would be a violation of the rules in RONR: "Rules contained in the bylaws (or constitution) cannot be suspended—no matter how large the vote in favor of doing so or how inconvenient the rule in question may be—unless the particular rule specifically provides for its own suspension, or unless the rule properly is in the nature of a rule of order as described on page 17, lines 22–25." RONR (11th ed.), p. 263 These rules are not in the nature of a rule of order. The attorney's opinion may be based on applicable procedural rules in statutes, but won't have any idea about those kinds of things.
  15. What Mr. Harrison said was, that a point of order regarding the failure to achieve a 2/3 vote must be timely, meaning, it must be made at the time the the mistake is made. It is not one of the exceptions to the timeliness requirements for points of order found on p. 251 in RONR. It's simply too late now to raise a point of order. If the Official Interpretation seems confusing just look at the second paragraph of the Authorship Team's answer. It focuses in on your question.
  16. Your initial thoughts were correct. The member making the motion can vote in favor of it, against it, or not at all. They just can't speak against their own motion.
  17. "REFRAINING FROM SPEAKING AGAINST ONE'S OWN MOTION. In debate, the maker of a motion, while he can vote against it, is not allowed to speak against his own motion. He need not speak at all, but if he does he is obliged to take a favorable position. If he changes his mind while the motion he made is pending, he can, in effect, advise the assembly of this by asking permission to withdraw the motion (pp. 295–97)." RONR (11th ed.), p. 393 emphasis added by me. She may also abstain.
  18. Nosey's group has major issues, it seems.
  19. No, because there is no requirement in RONR that committees keep minutes, so there is nothing that needs to be approved.
  20. Why can't you formally adjourn and stay in the room and listen to the speaker?
  21. Well, the investigative committee reports to the society's assembly, so they are not the final arbiter of the matter. Do your bylaws spell out how special committees are appointed?
  22. He can argue all he wants. RONR says no such thing as Mr. Harrison already noted.
  23. Per speech. Remember that you may not speak a second time until everyone who wants to speak for the first time gets their opportunity.
  24. The rule in RONR is "The only business that can be transacted at a special meeting is that which has been specified in the call of the meeting. This rule, however, does not preclude the consideration of privileged motions, or of any subsidiary, incidental, or other motions that may arise in connection with the transaction of such business or the conduct of the meeting" RONR (11th ed.), p.93. I think I could be persuaded that the motion to set the number of board members is a motion that may arise in connection with the transaction of of the business in the call. I have no opinion on whether the first action taken was in any way proper since we don't have enough facts to do so and you didn't ask.
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