suspended president

[Guest Will]

If the board suspends the president, are they still the president?  Can the 1st VP and 2nd VP simply move up a position to president and 1st VP?

[J. J.]

1 hour ago, Guest Will said:

If the board suspends the president, are they still the president?  Can the 1st VP and 2nd VP simply move up a position to president and 1st VP?

Assuming the board has the authority to suspend the president, the first vice president would act as president in that absence (p. 457, ll,34-35).

[Josh Martin]

1 hour ago, J. J. said:

Assuming the board has the authority to suspend the president, the first vice president would act as president in that absence (p. 457, ll,34-35).

Only within the context of meetings, however, unless the organization's rules provide otherwise.

[J. J.]

3 hours ago, Josh Martin said:

Only within the context of meetings, however, unless the organization's rules provide otherwise.

I'm not sure, based p. 662, ll. 25-31.  The text is clear that the accused "duties as an officer," could  be suspended, but it is not clear who would exercise them. in anyone, in the officer's stead.  Duties of an officer can extend beyond the boundaries of a meeting.

[Guest Zev]

Just to be clear. The function of presiding can be taken away from the president on an individual basis via a two-thirds vote. That motion can specify a special election or not as the assembly sees fit. The assembly cannot, however, take away the president's administrative duties without a trial and impeaching him.

[Richard Brown]

6 hours ago, Guest Zev said:

Just to be clear. The function of presiding can be taken away from the president on an individual basis via a two-thirds vote. That motion can specify a special election or not as the assembly sees fit. 

Huh??

6 hours ago, Guest Zev said:

The aassembl cannot, however, take away the president's administrative duties without a trial and impeaching him.

Or by removing him from office using the non-disciplinary removal procedure outlined on pages 653-654 of RONR if such a procedure is permitted by the bylaws.

[Dan Honemann]

7 hours ago, Guest Zev said:

 The assembly cannot, however, take away the president's administrative duties without a trial and impeaching him.

 

17 minutes ago, Richard Brown said:

Or by removing him from office using the non-disciplinary removal procedure outlined on pages 653-654 of RONR if such a procedure is permitted by the bylaws.

An assembly can also adopt a resolution suspending any or all of the authority, rights and duties of the president which pertain to his office if it does so together with a resolution preferring charges against him.

[J. J.]

52 minutes ago, Daniel H. Honemann said:

 

An assembly can also adopt a resolution suspending any or all of the authority, rights and duties of the president which pertain to his office if it does so together with a resolution preferring charges against him.

I  wish it was that clear in text. 

 

(or, I missed it)

[J. J.]

3 minutes ago, J. J. said:

I  wish it was that clear in text. 

 

(or, I missed it)

By that, I mean who takes over those duties. 

[Richard Brown]

I share JJ's concern. RONR really doesn't cover that very well.

[Dan Honemann]

1 hour ago, Richard Brown said:

I share JJ's concern. RONR really doesn't cover that very well.

Why should it? 

Before an assembly decides to suspend all of the authority, rights, and duties of any one of its officers (see, e.g., p. 659, ll. 25-28), it is its responsibility to make sure that it has arranged (or will arrange) for someone to fill in the gap. 

[J. J.]

45 minutes ago, Daniel H. Honemann said:

Why should it? 

Before an assembly decides to suspend all of the authority, rights, and duties of any one of its officers (see, e.g., p. 659, ll. 25-28), it is its responsibility to make sure that it has arranged (or will arrange) for someone to fill in the gap. 

It would great if it was in the book.     I'm not disagreeing.

[Rev Ed]

On 7/26/2017 at 5:05 PM, Guest Will said:

If the board suspends the president, are they still the president?  Can the 1st VP and 2nd VP simply move up a position to president and 1st VP?

Firstly, other than temporarily remove the Chairman (President) from chairing the meeting, do the By-laws allow the Board the power to suspend a member of the Board? If not then the Board doesn't have the power to do so. 

If suspended, the President's duties would be handled by the 1st Vice President.

[Kim Goldsworthy]

Analogy.

The situation is parallel with a SECRETARY who is in the hospital with a coma. -- The organization itself never loses the ability to execute the abandoned duties of the secretary.

The organization must re-delegate secretarial duties to a volunteer or pinch-hitter, like another officer, or even a non-officer. Or even a committee.

Who else is going to execute (a.) the stuffing of envelopes? (b.) the purchase of postage? (c.) the travel expense of going to the post office?

No organization "loses" the ability to execute #a, #b, #c, just because the bylaws delegate those duties to a specific officer (who is now in no position to fulfill those duties).

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So it is with a PRESIDENT.

So it is with a TREASURER.

• Whatever duty is abandoned, is a duty which must be re-delegated.

• No single officer can hold hostage the entire organization.

• Abandoned duties may be re-absorbed by the organization, and then re-delegated to a real human being who is going to do the actual physical work.

 

[Rev Ed]

15 hours ago, Kim Goldsworthy said:

 

So it is with a PRESIDENT.

So it is with a TREASURER.

• Whatever duty is abandoned, is a duty which must be re-delegated.

• No single officer can hold hostage the entire organization.

• Abandoned duties may be re-absorbed by the organization, and then re-delegated to a real human being who is going to do the actual physical work.

 

Yes, but with the President, the Vice president should automatically take over the duties of the President until the President can resume his or her duties.