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  1. A quotation from Jefferson's Manual (page 129 in this edition) goes a long way toward resolving the difficulties that poster Stephen V/saa seems to have encountered...

    >>>>>>>

    And whether these forms be in all cases the most rational or not is really not of so great importance. It is much more material that there should be a rule to go by than what that rule is; that there may be a uniformity of proceeding in business not subject to the caprice of the Speaker or captiousness of the members.

    >>>>>>

    It is that caprice and captiousness that we here are all striving to eliminate.

  2. I may be a tad pedantic in this response but, hey, this is a college related association, right? 

    Who can vote and a determination of a quorum are independent matters. 

    Who can vote is set by your (and your national association's) bylaws. In general members can vote - that is a right of membership.

    A quorum is simply a number:  the number of members who have to be present for a proper meeting.  In your case this seems to be more than half (a majority) of the "active collegiate" members of your chapter (less those "excused" - who does the "excusing"?).

    You will have to ask your national association what it means by "active members"  RONR simply says that all members (whether "active" or comatose) can vote.  Any further distinctions or restrictions on voting rights are to be found in your bylaws. And you have to sort them out.  They are your distinctions, not RONR's.

  3.  

    7 minutes ago, Guest Stacy said:

     Is there anything in  Robert’s rules to prevent this??? 

    Not really.  Coupla points, however...

    1)  You didn't run your election for RecSec properly.   Office elections are not Yes/No contests, but are A vs. B (vs. C, &c) contests.  The way to vote "against" someone is nominate and vote for someone else.  (See page 430.)  From what you say it seems your did that, eventually.  If someone is running unopposed there is no need for a vote at all - just declare the person elected (unless the bylaws require a ballot vote).  See page 443.

    2) Presumably -- but check your bylaws -- the Board has the authority to fill vacancies, which is what they did.    (It sounds a little like a set-up, but we can't do anything about that here.)

    So your new RecSec is properly in office.

  4. 39 minutes ago, Guest Guest both_hands said:

     But worst of all is the label of “previous question“ for the proposal to "close debate”. 

    It seems that 99 out of 100 attendees at meetings have not one clue as to what is occurring when the motion for “previous question“ is called.

    As has been pointed out many times before (I am sure), adopting the motion for the "Previous Question" includes more that just closing debate as it includes preventing further amendments or other subsidiary motions (except Lay on the Table) - page 197-8.  A simple motion to "close debate" wouldn't accomplish as much.  So until parliamentarians can come up with a better(?) descriptor than "Previous Question", it seems that term of art will have to do.

    It has been my experience that those 99 attendees full well know what "PQ" will accomplish; they just use the incorrect term "Call the Question", or the like (usually without getting recognition -- but that is a different problem). 

  5. Whether the board's minutes should be "opened" or not is completely up to the members of the board -- majority decision.

    Reading between lines, I suspect that those board minutes contain far more material than RONR requires in minutes documents -- see page 468 for what is really required.  If you stuck to the "include what was done, NOT what was said" rule, then it would seem that there would be little or no public "difficulty" in opening them.  They would contain only the motions adopted and passed on to the council, which have become public anyway.   But if the minutes contained debate and argument (particularly if individual's points of view were noted) then you could have a problem.

  6. 1 hour ago, Joshua Katz said:

    While RONR gives illustrations, I don't take it as a rule per say. I like to use three columns: the current text, the changes shown as mark-up (strike crossed out, insertions in bold, then either highlighted or in a different color), and the text as it will appear if the amendment is adopted. 

    And along the top of the three columns write out the exact text of the motion to amend, e.g., "I move to amend Article II, Section 3 by striking out the words ... and inserting these words ... ".   Or if the amendment text is long just say "Amend by inserting a new Section 4 as shown in the center column below."

    It might seem to be overdoing it, but it makes it crystal clear exactly what changes are being proposed.   And makes it easy to propose amendments to any amendment text that a member is unhappy with.

  7. Adopting an agenda means that the items (clear motions, one trusts) listed in the agenda become special or general orders - page 371.

    Once all the general orders are disposed of, any member can bring up a new motion - this is  part of "New Business".  At this point things can go on as long as the members put up with it.

    So adopting an agenda gives the agenda items higher priority that really new business.

  8. 28 minutes ago, Guest Zev said:

    The Treasurer's report should be referred to an auditing committee, and it is the auditing committee's report that is accepted or rejected.

    Well... sorta...  an annual report of all the association's transactions is part of Annual Meeting (or fiscal year) business  --  that is what should be referred to an Audit Committee (or the like) for careful review.   Monthly "updates" need not be audited (unless the association really wants to keep tabs on the Treasurer, for whatever reason.)

    See page 477.

  9. And a request for precision, Sandi ...

    When you say "appointed a special committee", do you mean established AND appointed ( 'appointed' means "named people to the committee"),  or either one, or both?

    Does the president have the authority to do either or both?  That would have to be in the bylaws (or in a motion establishing the committee and empowering the president to name its members)?

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