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  1. Daniel H. Honemann

    Reconsideration of a question

    Well, among other things, when a vote is reconsidered the motion being reconsidered is brought back before the assembly in the same position it occupied the moment before it was voted on originally. This may mean that all sorts of things that happened during its original consideration may have an effect upon its reconsideration. This is not at all the case when a motion is renewed.
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    Reconsideration of a question

    Although the vote by which this motion was defeated cannot be reconsidered, it doesn't matter because the defeated motion can simply be made again (renewed).
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    Revisit or new motion?

    Unlike the situation in Official Interpretation 2006-18, this was not an instance in which the motion under consideration was a motion to Rescind or to Amend Something Previously Adopted. The motion which was made here was not in order because it conflicted with a motion previously adopted and still in force. Such improper motions, if declared to be adopted, are null and void unless adopted by the vote required to amend or rescind the motion previously adopted, and a point of order concerning their validity can be raised at any time. If and when such a point of order is raised, the motion so adopted should be declared to be null and void unless it is determined, at that time, that it had been adopted by the vote required to amend or rescind the previously adopted motion.
  4. Daniel H. Honemann

    Revisit or new motion?

    Yes. "Apart from a motion to Rescind or to Amend Something Previously Adopted (35), no main motion is in order that conflicts with a motion previously adopted at any time and still in force." (RONR, 11th ed., p. 111) Assuming that there is a legitimate question as to whether or not this motion was adopted by at least a two-thirds vote, a point of order concerning its validity can be raised at any time (RONR, 11th ed., p. 251). Whether or not this is what happened at the meeting held two weeks later is not clear.
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    Motion after speaking in debate

    In other words, guess again. 🙂
  6. No, you should not "redo the vote". If this phony "amendment" was declared to have been adopted, a point of order can be raised at any time that this action, which is an action taken in violation of a rule protecting absentees (the notice requirement), is null and void (RONR, 11th ed., p. 251). This assumes that the entire membership was not present at the time this took place.
  7. Based upon what you have posted, you are clearly right when you say that his amendment is not in order because it isn't germane to the motion which it proposes to amend. Even if an amendment to a proposed bylaw amendment is germane (and the one to which you refer clearly is not), it is not in order if it increases the modification of the article or provision to be amended …" (RONR, 11th ed., p. 595; see also p. 306, ll. 18-23)
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    Agenda order

    The chair must take up items in the order prescribed by an adopted agenda unless the assembly directs him to do otherwise by a two-thirds vote (or by unanimous consent). He cannot do so on his own volition. An adopted agenda can be amended by a two-thirds vote, a vote of a majority of the entire membership, or unanimous consent.
  9. Daniel H. Honemann

    Ballot to Dissolve

    For now, I'll just say welcome back Mr. Tesser, and let it go at that. 🙂
  10. Daniel H. Honemann

    Outside advisors attending member meetings

    Take a look at pages 644-45 in RONR, 11th ed.
  11. Daniel H. Honemann

    In Camera Meeting

    Well, then, go on back to the other thread and tell us in what respect you disagree with what Mr. Martin has said here (if, in fact, you do disagree): "As was explained several times in the previous thread, business may only be conducted at a regular or properly called meeting. This is a fundamental principle of parliamentary law, which is a separate category of continuing breach than violations of rules protecting absentees, so the fact that there are no absentees is no defense." I think he said the same thing there as well.
  12. Daniel H. Honemann

    Approval of Treasurer's Report

    I think that any report which is actually adopted should be included in the minutes, or attached to the minutes as a part thereof. Such adoption "has the effect of the assembly's endorsing every word of the report—including the indicated facts and the reasoning—as its own statement …" (RONR, 11th ed., pp 507-508; p. 124).
  13. No rule in RONR prevents it. By the way, questions concerning what is or is not permitted under the Internal Revenue Code are not questions which should be posted in this forum.
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    Speaking when not given the floor

    As far as the rules in RONR are concerned, a member of an assembly is a person entitled to attend meetings, to make motions, to speak in debate, and to vote. Based upon what has been posted, it would appear that only these "active" members are members of this organization's assembly.
  15. Actually, this text is not new to the 11th edition. You will find it on page 316 of the 7th edition, and in all subsequent editions as well. It simply got moved around a bit in the 11th. An "order of the day" is "a particular subject, question, or item of business that is set in advance to be taken up during a given session, day, or meeting, or at a given hour, provided that no business having precedence over it interferes." (RONR, p. 364, ll. 17-21) I agree that calls to order, recesses, and adjournments are not technically "items of business", but they are items which are sometimes properly included within an adopted agenda or program. For example, an adopted agenda or program may include a recess which is scheduled for a certain time (see p. 232, ll. 3-19), and in that event will also ordinarily fix the time at which the meeting is to be called to order again.