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  1. Daniel H. Honemann

    Nonmember rights to speak

    You will find the rules regarding nonmembers rights (or, more accurately, the absence thereof) in RONR, 11th ed., on pages 644-45 and 648; and on page 263. As to the footnote on page 263, you will recall that a two-thirds vote is required to suspend rules of order. After you have reviewed what is said on these pages, let us know if you have any further questions.
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    Meeting Notice

    The rules in RONR provide that the day of each regular meeting should be prescribed in the bylaws, and if this is not done, that notice must be sent to all members in advance of each regular meeting. (RONR, 11th ed. p. 89, ll. 5-15) It would appear, therefore, that in addition to amending the bylaws to remove the rule requiring that notice be sent, it will also be necessary to have the bylaws themselves fix the date on which regular meetings are to be held.
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    Withdrawing support of a motion

    … preferably the same thing "it" refers to here. 🙂
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    Should minutes reflect who seconded a motion?

    The answer to your question is no. "The name of the maker of a main motion should be entered in the minutes, but the name of the seconder should not be entered unless ordered by the assembly." (RONR, 11th ed., p. 470)
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    Sole nominees

    Although RONR tells us that, in these instances, the sole nominee is said to be elected by "acclamation", I must admit that I find "on the nod" better by far. Perhaps we shall make the change in some future edition. 🙂
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    Ratifying a vote that passed and was then found to not have a quorum

    No, it would appear that neither is appropriate. “The motion to ratify (also called approve or confirm) is an incidental main motion that is used to confirm or make valid an action already taken that cannot become valid until approved by the assembly.” (RONR, 11th ed., p. 124) Any action taken before an assembly determines that a quorum is not present must be regarded as having been validly taken unless and until the assembly also determines that a quorum was not present at the time when such action was taken (RONR, 11th ed. p. 349, ll. 21-28). As best I can determine from the facts as stated, no such determination has as yet been made.
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    Getting Rid of a Postponed Item

    Nothing in Section 12 specifically refers to the treatment of motions to Amend which were finally disposed of by being adopted or rejected during a session preceding the session at which the motion to which they were previously applied is being considered, and the so the principle to which you refer has no application (at least not in the way in which you seem to think it does).
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    Getting Rid of a Postponed Item

    I'm afraid that the best I can do at the moment is to suggest to you that, while reading the rules in Section 12 relating to the effect which the adoption or rejection of a motion to Amend will have upon subsequent motions to Amend (such as, for example, those found on page 140, line 13 to page 141, line 4), you keep firmly in mind what is said on pages 87-88 concerning the freedom of each new session, as well as what is said on pages 336 ff. regarding the renewal of motions. Nothing that is said in Section 12 is intended to override or negate the basic principle concerning the freedom of each new session as reflected Sections 8 and 38 (and I suspect elsewhere, but I'm too lazy to keep looking).
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    Getting Rid of a Postponed Item

    Well, this is rather surprising. Would you all also say that, if this motion to Amend had been defeated instead of adopted it could not be renewed at the next session when the postponed resolution is taken up?
  10. Daniel H. Honemann

    Getting Rid of a Postponed Item

    Yes.
  11. Daniel H. Honemann

    Getting Rid of a Postponed Item

    Of course. That's why I said that under such circumstances reconsideration is a "possibility".
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    Amending a Previously Approved Manual

    Based solely upon what you have posted, it seems rather clear that the amendment which was adopted is in full force and effect.
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    Committee Chair Refuses To Call A Meeting

    Oh, I think you can expect that some change will be made in this troublesome language on page 499, but until then I think it best to construe it to mean that the right of committee members to call a meeting if the chair refuses to do so is not restricted to the committee's first meeting.
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    Getting Rid of a Postponed Item

    I'm always a bit unhappy about being asked to respond to questions when all relevant facts are not provided, and in this instance we still haven't told whether or not the meeting to which this resolution was postponed will be the next meeting in a continuation of the same session during which it was postponed. If so, reconsideration of the vote or votes by which the undesirable portions of the resolution and its preamble were inserted is a possibility, as has already been noted. If not, then when the resolution is brought back before the assembly, motions can be made to amend it and its preamble by striking out the undesirable portions.
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    Running for office for someone who had one and resigned

    I think the answer to this question is yes, a member's rights can be suspended through disciplinary proceedings, but I'm not sure what you mean when you refer to the "assemblies can't constrain future assemblies" principle. I suppose you may be referring to the one mentioned on page 87, lines 4-11, but I don't see what it has to do with any of this.
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