Guest georgiadore Posted July 13, 2011 at 09:57 PM Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 at 09:57 PM Often I have heard people say - "I've already spoken, so I can't make a motion" - i.e., one must make the motion before making any argument. My question is whether this is actually in Robert's Rules - and where? I know it is better form - but is it required? Is one forbidden to make an initial motion if he/she has already made some comments on a matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:05 PM Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:05 PM There is an entire chapter dedicated to how a motion is considered. See RONR pp. 31-55 for details. Quickly, the motion is made, it is seconded, the Chair states the question, it is debated, the Chair puts the question, and the Chair announces the results of the vote. However, things can be done a bit more lax in small Board of about a dozen members or fewer (RONR pp. 470-471). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:21 PM Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:21 PM Often I have heard people say - "I've already spoken, so I can't make a motion" - i.e., one must make the motion before making any argument. My question is whether this is actually in Robert's Rules - and where? I know it is better form - but is it required? Is one forbidden to make an initial motion if he/she has already made some comments on a matter?There is no rule resembling this concept. You can't speak in debate on a motion before the motion is made. It may be counterintuitive, but, in a meeting, you don't state your case and then close by outlining the proposal of what you want. You start by making a proposal (a motion); then you offer supporting arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest georgiadore Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:32 PM Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 at 10:32 PM There is no rule resembling this concept. You can't speak in debate on a motion before the motion is made. It may be counterintuitive, but, in a meeting, you don't state your case and then close by outlining the proposal of what you want. You start by making a proposal (a motion); then you offer supporting arguments.So - there is no rule technically forbidding one to speak first? In other words, if someone did what you are stating (stating a case then making a proposal) - they would not necessarily be ruled out of order - though their form is not best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted July 13, 2011 at 11:26 PM Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 at 11:26 PM So - there is no rule technically forbidding one to speak first? In other words, if someone did what you are stating (stating a case then making a proposal) - they would not necessarily be ruled out of order - though their form is not best?That's right, there is no such rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted July 14, 2011 at 04:01 AM Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 at 04:01 AM That's right, there is no such rule.Would you mind a mention of what is said on p. 33, or might that muddy the waters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted July 14, 2011 at 09:52 AM Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 at 09:52 AM Would you mind a mention of what is said on p. 33, or might that muddy the waters?Chris H. and Tim Wynn have already alluded to the general rule that, in full blown assemblies, discussion of any subject is permitted only with reference to a pending motion. But the question asked in the original post was “Is one forbidden to make an initial motion if he/she has already made some comments on a matter?” In other words, if a member has already violated the rule against discussing a matter while no motion is pending, is he thereby prohibited from making a motion concerning it. The answer to this question is no, there is no rule prohibiting him from making a motion under such circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:28 AM Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:28 AM Chris H. and Tim Wynn have already alluded to the general rule that, in full blown assemblies, discussion of any subject is permitted only with reference to a pending motion. But the question asked in the original post was “Is one forbidden to make an initial motion if he/she has already made some comments on a matter?” In other words, if a member has already violated the rule against discussing a matter while no motion is pending, is he thereby prohibited from making a motion concerning it. The answer to this question is no, there is no rule prohibiting him from making a motion under such circumstances.(Thanks, but it was a yes-or-no question. I was gonna go there. Have you ever explicitly rescinded the statement that you don't like typing?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:41 AM Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 at 10:41 AM Have you ever explicitly rescinded the statement that you don't like typing?)No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted July 14, 2011 at 11:01 AM Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 at 11:01 AM No. Uh-huh. Admiral use of the one-word-answer, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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