nicurn82 Posted September 16, 2011 at 11:47 PM Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 at 11:47 PM In a previous election, an existing board member ran for an open position. When they lost, they went back to their original position. Wouldn't they have to resign from that position to run? Now they are looking to run for the open position again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted September 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 12:06 AM In a previous election, an existing board member ran for an open position. When they lost, they went back to their original position. Wouldn't they have to resign from that position to run? Now they are looking to run for the open position again.No rule in RONR requires a person to resign from an existing position to be a candidate for a different position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicurn82 Posted September 17, 2011 at 12:08 AM Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 12:08 AM So if they do not win the election, they can remain in their present position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted September 17, 2011 at 12:33 AM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 12:33 AM Yes, unless your rules say otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted September 17, 2011 at 01:22 AM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 01:22 AM I concur - unless the orgnization has its own rules regarding qualifications to run for office, then the member does not have to resign from one position in order to run for another position. And remember, even if the rules state that one person cannot hold more than one person at a time, this would not stop a person from running for two positions, or holding one position and running for another. The rules would have to state specifically that "a member cannot be nominated for a position on the Board if the member is already serving on the Board." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted September 17, 2011 at 02:11 AM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 02:11 AM And remember, even if the rules state that one person cannot hold more than one person at a time....I think this would require at least a special rule of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charris Posted September 17, 2011 at 03:18 AM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 03:18 AM If an organization's bylaws say that terms expire in May and new officers are elected in June but no new officers are elected who runs the organization? There are two holdover officers from last year who have "volunteered" to continue but there is no provision in the bylaws for continuity in office until new officers are elected. On the agenda for the upcoming meeting they have election of officers as the fourth item and it appears that one of the volunteers plans to run the entire meeting. Should the election of officers be first so that duly elected officers take their positions or should the order of meetings be followed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Hunt Posted September 17, 2011 at 07:03 AM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 07:03 AM If an organization's bylaws say that terms expire in May and new officers are elected in June but no new officers are elected who runs the organization? There are two holdover officers from last year who have "volunteered" to continue but there is no provision in the bylaws for continuity in office until new officers are elected. On the agenda for the upcoming meeting they have election of officers as the fourth item and it appears that one of the volunteers plans to run the entire meeting. Should the election of officers be first so that duly elected officers take their positions or should the order of meetings be followed?In the future, please make a new topic for a new issue.The organization would have no officers if the old officers' terms have expired and new ones have not been selected. This is a situation that should immediately be rectified. If you have no officers, then any member may call the meeting to order; the first order of business should be election of a new President (who begins presiding immediately); the second should be election of a new Secretary (who begins taking minutes immediately, including the election of the President and Secretary). After that, whatever the usual order of business in your organization is should be followed - if you just use the standard order of business, then election of the remaining officers would come as a special order for the meeting, ahead of any newly-introduced business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted September 17, 2011 at 11:45 AM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 11:45 AM If an organization's bylaws say that terms expire in May and new officers are elected in June ........The exact wording here is important, as is a review of the entire bylaws, to determine just what happens next. I'm going to guess this is not a verbatim quote, but rather the boiled down essence of what the bylaws seem to say. It may be that any officer continues in his or her position until a successor is elected, even after multiple attempts over several meetings.So, what have you been doing since June, not meeting?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted September 17, 2011 at 11:54 AM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 11:54 AM If an organization's bylaws say that terms expire in May and new officers are elected in June but no new officers are elected who runs the organization?First re-check the bylaws, carefully. Officers (current ones) may be in office "until the election of their successors" - if no election, they STAY in (at least until they quit or you finally do have an election).Or the offices may fall vacant, and some vacancy filling provision in your bylaws will kick in.Or....Announce that because of a lack of leadership interest, the organization will dissolve itself and go out of business. Really. Organizations don't last forever, and it is much better to close up shop formally than just drift along, and then wonder what happened to the bank account, far too long after the fact to do anything about it.Often enough a threat like this one will shake some people out of the woodwork who will be willing to serve after all. But if it doesn't, there is a message there...You might also consider WHY no one wants to be president. Perhaps you're asking too much of that position. Perhaps the past presidents have made the job appear more difficult than it has to be. Perhaps the members are making it harder on the president than they should.Perhaps the board should be doing more. After all, the only essential role of the president is to preside at meetings. Some or all administrative responsibilities could be delegated to, or distributed among, the board members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charris Posted September 17, 2011 at 12:21 PM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 12:21 PM scshunt, I am sorry I did not begin a new thread. I thought that this question was relevant to the issue of positions and elections after reading the forum. Thank you all for the answers. There is no provision for continuation in office until new officers are elected in the bylaws. It states that elections are held in May (there was no election) and "All officers shall assume office on June 1 or upon acceptance of the appointment, as applicable, and may serve consecutive terms if reelected." Vacancies can be filled by the general membership or by the Excutive Board which does not exist because most of the slots are vacant.The organization is a parent organization in support of a school band. The band only had 22 members last year. The workload of the officers doesn't seem particularly onerous, however, at least the two hold over officers seem kind of onery. I don't know Robert's Rules at all, so if someone can direct me to the appropriate chapter, section, and verse, I would be greatly appreciative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted September 17, 2011 at 12:35 PM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 12:35 PM P. 557 deals with the "empty nest" problem of no new officers elected, but isn't going to help you in finding new ones. It just restates your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted September 17, 2011 at 03:24 PM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 03:24 PM What do the by-laws actually state about the terms for officers? Does it state "The officers shall serve for two years" or The officers shall serve for two years or until their successor is elected." There is a big difference. The "until their successor is elected" then the old officers are still on the Board until after an election actually takes place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charris Posted September 17, 2011 at 04:23 PM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 04:23 PM These are all the elections-related articles verbatim:The President, 1st Vice-President/Treasurer, 2nd Vice-President/Fundraising, 3rd Vice-President/Volunteer Coordinator, and Secretary shall be elected for a one-year term.These officers shall be elected in the month of May by the voting body of the organization.Officers shall not hold any one position for longer than two (2) years. Only one member of a household may hold office at any one time.If the office of president should become vacant, the 1st Vice-President shall assume the office. If for any reason, the 1st Vice-President does not assume such office, the 2nd Vice-President shall assume that office. If for any reason the 2nd Vice-President does not assume such office, the 3rd Vice-President shall assume that office. If any other elective office should become vacant, a successor for the unexpired term shall be elected by the general membership or can be appointed through the common consensus of the Executive Board.All officers shall assume office on June 1 or upon acceptance of the appointment, as applicable, and may serve consecutive terms if reelected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted September 17, 2011 at 09:47 PM Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 at 09:47 PM Then you need an election to elect new officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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