Steven Britton Posted February 2, 2012 at 02:09 PM Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 at 02:09 PM An organization annually provides for the election of 6 directors by mail ballot to it's twelve member board. The bylaws provide that the BODs elect 3 tellers and 3 alternates to count the election ballots. The ballots must be received by February 1 and are counted, shortly thereafter. The results of the election are reported to the members outside of a meeting.The ballots are secured and sealed in a container and the secretary brings the container to the annual meeting.The annual meeting is within a quarterly time interval of the election. The members generally meet once each year.Robert's is not adopted as the parlimentary manual in the bylaws, but the organization has generally adhered to Robert's by custom.Question: If the members order a recount at the annual meeting, who would properly recount the ballots? Is there really a definative answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted February 2, 2012 at 02:14 PM Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 at 02:14 PM Question: If the members order a recount at the annual meeting, who would properly recount the ballots?I should think whomever the members choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted February 2, 2012 at 03:29 PM Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 at 03:29 PM The bylaws provide that the BODs elect 3 tellers and 3 alternates to count the election ballots. If you're wondering if this could be an issue, we don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trina Posted February 2, 2012 at 04:02 PM Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 at 04:02 PM And don't make up the bylaws in their entirety and post them here .Why has the society in the example not adopted RONR? I mean, how do you think that lack affects the question you are asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Britton Posted February 2, 2012 at 04:34 PM Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 at 04:34 PM And don't make up the bylaws in their entirety and post them here .Why has the society in the example not adopted RONR? I mean, how do you think that lack affects the question you are asking?I'm not really sure that it would have an effect; but, thought that perhaps for some other reason that hadn't dawned on me, it might.Thanks for responding.If you're wondering if this could be an issue, we don't know.My question might be, for the purpose of appointing tellers for the recount, are new tellers to be appointed and by the presiding officer, board, or the assembly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trina Posted February 2, 2012 at 04:39 PM Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 at 04:39 PM My question might be, for the purpose of appointing tellers for the recount, are new tellers to be appointed and by the presiding officer, board, or the assembly.I might argue that a 'count' (instructions are given for this in the bylaws, apparently) and a 'recount' are not the same thing. However, we have not seen the exact language of the bylaws, nor read them in their entirety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Britton Posted February 2, 2012 at 04:42 PM Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 at 04:42 PM I might argue that a 'count' (instructions are given for this in the bylaws, apparently) and a 'recount' are not the same thing. However, we have not seen the exact language of the bylaws, nor read them in their entirety.Thanks, Trina and George! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted February 2, 2012 at 11:42 PM Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 at 11:42 PM I might argue that a 'count' (instructions are given for this in the bylaws, apparently) and a 'recount' are not the same thing. However, we have not seen the exact language of the bylaws, nor read them in their entirety.For what it's worth, even if the society does determine that the quoted rule does apply to the recount, it seems to me that a rule relating to the appointment of tellers is in the nature of a rule of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Britton Posted February 2, 2012 at 11:55 PM Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 at 11:55 PM For what it's worth, even if the society does determine that the quoted rule does apply to the recount, it seems to me that a rule relating to the appointment of tellers is in the nature of a rule of order.And thus, may be suspended by a two-thirds vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted February 3, 2012 at 12:37 AM Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 at 12:37 AM And thus, may be suspended by a two-thirds vote?Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Britton Posted February 3, 2012 at 12:55 AM Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 at 12:55 AM Yes.Thank-you for taking the opportunity to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted February 3, 2012 at 12:59 AM Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 at 12:59 AM P. 409, ll. 16-18 should be persuasive on this assembly that hasn't adopted RONR (though I prefer George be the judge of all such questions ).Without the bylaws specifically saying otherwise, I don't see why an assembly ordering a recount wouldn't be able to control the details of that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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