Guest Carla Posted May 2, 2012 at 06:59 PM Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 at 06:59 PM For years our small organization has added to and amended our Bylaws. We do not have a Standing Rules document. Some members feel that some of the Bylaws are really Standing Rules, and it is time to do something about it. So a motion is being made at our next meeting "that we separate our Bylaws into 2 documents: Standing Rules and condensed Bylaws." If members vote in the affirmative, then a ByLaws committee will make a presentation and there will be another motion on what they propose to remove,etc. and at that time the members can vote on the specifics. Our Bylaws state that 2/3 vote is needed to amend our Bylaws. Does this first motion -- the vote on whether or not they even want to separate the Bylaws -- need a 2/3rd vote? (Some feel that the Bylaws are not being amended with this motion, so it only needs a simple majority. Others feel that it is about amending the Bylaws, so it needs 2/3.) We need your input. Thanks! (The exact wording of our Bylaw is: "These Bylaws may be amended by a two-thirds vote of the members prsent and voting...") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted May 2, 2012 at 07:22 PM Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 at 07:22 PM It sounds like the motion is to refer the matter to and instruct the Bylaws Committee to separate out the Standing Rules from the bylaws and report back to the assembly for action. If that is the case then it would only take a majority vote (RONR pp. 168-179). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted May 2, 2012 at 07:42 PM Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 at 07:42 PM For years our small organization has added to and amended our Bylaws. We do not have a Standing Rules document. Some members feel that some of the Bylaws are really Standing Rules, and it is time to do something about it. So a motion is being made at our next meeting "that we separate our Bylaws into 2 documents: Standing Rules and condensed Bylaws." If members vote in the affirmative, then a ByLaws committee will make a presentation and there will be another motion on what they propose to remove,etc. and at that time the members can vote on the specifics. Our Bylaws state that 2/3 vote is needed to amend our Bylaws. Does this first motion -- the vote on whether or not they even want to separate the Bylaws -- need a 2/3rd vote? (Some feel that the Bylaws are not being amended with this motion, so it only needs a simple majority. Others feel that it is about amending the Bylaws, so it needs 2/3.) We need your input. Thanks! (The exact wording of our Bylaw is: "These Bylaws may be amended by a two-thirds vote of the members prsent and voting...")You simply need to answer the question of whether or not the bylaws would be altered by the adoption of the motion. If so, the vote requirement for amending the bylaws would apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g40 Posted May 2, 2012 at 10:26 PM Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 at 10:26 PM What are "condensed" bylaws? Wouldn't they just be "the bylaws"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted May 3, 2012 at 12:38 AM Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 at 12:38 AM What are "condensed" bylaws? Wouldn't they just be "the bylaws"?They come in a little cube, and you drop them in a cup of water to get the full version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest P D Posted May 5, 2012 at 08:30 PM Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 at 08:30 PM question....2/3 majority is required to a motion to pass. There are 6 fire companies. Each company has one vote. If the motion os voted on and a tie vote 3-3 is the results..If the President votes, it gives his company 2 votes on the matter. Is there anything in Roberts Rules that cove this type of incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted May 5, 2012 at 08:38 PM Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 at 08:38 PM question....2/3 majority is required to a motion to pass. There are 6 fire companies. Each company has one vote. If the motion os voted on and a tie vote 3-3 is the results..If the President votes, it gives his company 2 votes on the matter. Is there anything in Roberts Rules that cove this type of incident?First of all, you should Start a New Topic instead of posting on someone else's, even if you think they're similar. Go to the General Forum and look for the black button on the right.Secondly, disregarding all the other issues here, it wouldn't matter since the President voting in the affirmative creates a 4-3 vote, which does not satisfy a 2/3 vote requirement. So the motion is still defeated anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted May 5, 2012 at 09:43 PM Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 at 09:43 PM If the President votes, it gives his company 2 votes on the matter. Is there anything in Roberts Rules that cove this type of incident?If the president is a member, he has the right to vote. If he's not, he doesn't. Check the governing documents to determine the membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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