popkruse Posted June 19, 2012 at 09:05 PM Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 at 09:05 PM A motion is made and properly seconded. After discussion: 1. Must the motion be voted on? OR 2. Can the chair deny a vote on the motion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted June 19, 2012 at 09:20 PM Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 at 09:20 PM 1. Yes. (Unless there is a motion to postpone it, send it to a committee, &c.)2. No.What was the chair's basis for (presumably improperly) "denying the vote"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted June 19, 2012 at 10:39 PM Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 at 10:39 PM A motion is made and properly seconded. After discussion: 1. Must the motion be voted on? OR 2. Can the chair deny a vote on the motion?"When the debate appears to have closed . . . the chair proceeds to put the question--that is, he puts it to a vote . . ." - RONR(11th ed.), p. 44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracy crawford Posted June 19, 2012 at 10:54 PM Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 at 10:54 PM If a motion is made to approve a scenario and the vote is tied. It defaults to the original motion and should be approved? Or can the chairman deny the motion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted June 19, 2012 at 11:07 PM Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 at 11:07 PM If a motion is made to approve a scenario and the vote is tied. It defaults to the original motion and should be approved? Or can the chairman deny the motion?I don't follow this. Was the scenario an amendment to the original motion?So I'm not sure about the first question. And the chairman doesn't pick and choose: if a motion is in order, he must entertain it, while if it is improper, he must rule it out of order, and state his reasons for thinking so (which reasoning goes into the minutes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracy crawford Posted June 19, 2012 at 11:12 PM Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 at 11:12 PM It was a motion to approve a sales license for an individual. There were 12 votes. 6 yes 6 no. The chairman decided it was his right to deny the original motion to approve. The discussion during this process was that according to Roberts rules, the original motion is to approve therefore it should have been approved. Is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted June 19, 2012 at 11:13 PM Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 at 11:13 PM If a motion is made to approve a scenario and the vote is tied. It defaults to the original motion and should be approved? Or can the chairman deny the motion?It would be best if you didn't ask your "new" question as part of someone else's. That way we (and you) aren't trying to make sense out of mixed answers. So if you return to the General Forum and click the black Start New Topic button and try again, we can better focus on your question. And you might need to elaborate a bit more so we can understand what you're really asking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted June 19, 2012 at 11:23 PM Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 at 11:23 PM Ooo, Tracy, David's right. And don't think it's a rebuke, it's just that there might still be answers and more questions on the original subject. I look forward to resuming this on your own topic thread, if you would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trina Posted June 21, 2012 at 06:39 PM Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 at 06:39 PM It was a motion to approve a sales license for an individual. There were 12 votes. 6 yes 6 no. The chairman decided it was his right to deny the original motion to approve. The discussion during this process was that according to Roberts rules, the original motion is to approve therefore it should have been approved. Is that right?Since I have not seen Guest_Crawford reappearing with his/her own thread, I'll add the comment that a tie vote defeats a motion (the chair didn't have to do any deciding to make that happen). Perhaps some of the participants in the 'discussion' were confused about the tie vote rule in RONR, and got it backward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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