Guest Caroline Eastman Posted January 31, 2013 at 11:02 PM Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 at 11:02 PM If a motion is made and seconded. Does the President have to conduct a vote? Is there anything a President can do to not have a vote on a motion made and seconded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted January 31, 2013 at 11:08 PM Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 at 11:08 PM The President must put a motion to a vote unless there is a valid reason for him not to do so. If you supply more details we might be able to be of more help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caroline Eastman Posted January 31, 2013 at 11:12 PM Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 at 11:12 PM I really need help on this.if the group makes a motion and seconds it. Does the president have any power to not have a vote? if a motion has been made and seconded does the president have to call and hold a vote?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caroline Eastmand Posted January 31, 2013 at 11:16 PM Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 at 11:16 PM Thanks,Ok, our club had a nomminating committee (they were late in getting things done) per our Articles, but its been done that way for years. In fact it was the same person has Chairman. Because some of the board members didn't like the slate at the next meeting they made a motion and it was seconded to void the committee and its slate. The president didn't think they had a choice not to allow the motion to be voted on. So the vote was held and motion carried. after the meeting several people blamed the President stating he could have stoped this. He didn't have to allow the vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Goopher Posted January 31, 2013 at 11:25 PM Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 at 11:25 PM Guest_Caroline Eastmand:First question, did an election happen, or was there (under more or less dubious circumstances) merely a (supposed) change in the nominees/slate?Your non-standard (that is, non-RONR) rules may vary--in which case no one here can interpret them for you--but "ordinarily" the general membership can elect whomsoever, committee nominated, "floor nominated", or write in, that it wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caroline Eastmand Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:04 AM Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:04 AM No the election has not happened yet. It will happen at our aunnal meeting in a few months. This was only a board meeting and one done on a conference call. What happens in November the board picks a nomminating committee, we picked the committee in December because at the November meeting it was not on the addenda. In December we voted on the nomminating committee on the on line forum, the committee was selected and they becan the process. Then part of the board didn't agree with the Nomminating Committees slate. At the next meeting a motion was made and seconded to (undo, do away with,) the nomminating committe and the slate. Because the motion was made and seconded the President felt they had no choice but to call for a vote. Which passed and the nomminating committee and slate are said to be void. Then the same board members motioned and voted on a new committee. Yes I understand we can nominate, but in our rules we have to send in a second slate and members have to be notified. I don't think we can Nominate from the floor, I didn't find it in the articles/bylaw of the club. but again this club has not followed by laws very well. My question was since the President allowed the motion to be voted on. Other members of the board state the president could have stoped the vote and not allowed it? I thought once a motion was made and seconded it had to be voted on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caroline Eastman Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:06 AM Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:06 AM The reason the board members gave for the (do away with the nomminating committee) is they did not follow Articles/ bylaws set by the club. Again this club has been in several violations of its bylaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:13 AM Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:13 AM My question was since the President allowed the motion to be voted on. Other members of the board state the president could have stoped the vote and not allowed it? I thought once a motion was made and seconded it had to be voted onIf the motion was out of order the president could have (and should have) said so. His ruling could have been appealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caroline Eastman Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:19 AM Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:19 AM My question in all of this, since the President is being blamed members of the board for allowing the vote to happen. Was there anything the President could have done to not had the vote on the motion ? The President thought since a motion was made and seconded he had no choice but to ask for a vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:26 AM Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:26 AM I don't think we can Nominate from the floor, I didn't find it in the articles/bylaw of the club. but again this club has not followed by laws very well.Nominations from the floor are in order unless your rules provide otherwise.My question in all of this, since the President is being blamed members of the board for allowing the vote to happen. Was there anything the President could have done to not had the vote on the motion ? The President thought since a motion was made and seconded he had no choice but to ask for a voteThe President is not quite correct that he has no choice to permit a motion once it has been made and seconded, although I believe he had no choice in this instance. The President can and should rule a motion out of order if it is, in fact, out of order. It seems to me that this motion was in order, however, so there's really nothing the President could do. The President can't prevent a motion from going to a vote simply because he doesn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caroline Eastman Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:32 AM Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:32 AM I'm not sure if the motion was out of order? I guess I don't understand. But lets say it was out of order and the President did not allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest caroline eastmand Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:38 AM Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:38 AM Thank you for everyones help on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:53 AM Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 at 12:53 AM I'm not sure if the motion was out of order? I guess I don't understand.Essentially, a motion is out of order if it violates the rules - the Bylaws, RONR, etc. The motion itself might be out of order or it might just be out of order in that particular situation, such as how a main motion is not in order when another main motion is pending.But lets say it was out of order and the President did not allow it.This does not appear to be the case here, but it may be relevant for future cases. If a motion is out of order, the President rules the motion out of order and states his reasoning. The motion is effectively dead and the assembly moves on.In some cases, it may be unclear whether a motion is out of order, especially when it comes to interpreting the assembly's customized rules. If a member disagrees with the President's ruling, he may Appeal from the decision of the chair, which puts the decision in the hands of the assembly. A majority vote is sufficient to overturn the chair's ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMargaret Posted February 1, 2013 at 03:28 AM Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 at 03:28 AM What could have happened in the meeting:* member calls for a point of order - "Mr. Chair, point of order - the motion that has been made is out of order, for ___ reason. * Chair could rule on the point of order, if members disagree with ruling, they could Appeal the Decision of the Chair and vote on whether or not to uphold the decision* Chair could submit the decision on the point of order to the assembly - "I am in doubt, and I will submit the question of whether or not this motion is in order to the assembly. I will note that if the assembly voted to throw out the nominating committee, the point of order would probably not have been approved either - but who knows.I will also note that unless online voting is explicitly permitted in your bylaws, your organization could not have elected a nominating committee that way. Don't know if that's the case or not - but you may wish to strike a bylaw committee, for added amusement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted February 1, 2013 at 01:59 PM Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 at 01:59 PM . . . you may wish to strike a bylaw committee . . .I presume the word "strike" is being used here in a sense not all that common to those of us south of the border.4aC3M7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMargaret Posted February 1, 2013 at 03:55 PM Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 at 03:55 PM I presume the word "strike" is being used here in a sense not all that common to those of us south of the border.Fascinating - there are 310,000 google results for "strike a committee", mainly coming up with Canadian results for me at the moment - some other countries with a parliamentary heritage as well. I had no idea that was not a common phrase with our southern neighbours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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