Guest Ed Mata Posted January 6, 2017 at 01:39 AM Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 at 01:39 AM Can a President, in the last month of presidency, appoint themselves to an office not vacant until the following follow month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hieu H. Huynh Posted January 6, 2017 at 01:41 AM Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 at 01:41 AM Only if the bylaws give the president such power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted January 6, 2017 at 02:56 AM Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 at 02:56 AM 1 hour ago, Guest Ed Mata said: Can a President, in the last month of presidency, appoint themselves to an office not vacant until the following follow month? What do you mean, "not yet vacant"? Q. If there is no vacancy, then what is the president doing? *** If your president is empowered to appoint that given specific office, then your president is free to appoint himself. -- When the seat is vacant. If your president is not empowered to appoint that given specific office, then your question is moot. *** Q. Are you asking ,"Do presidents have the power to appoint, in general?" -- The answer is "No", with Robert's Rules of Order giving one rare exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted January 6, 2017 at 07:00 PM Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 at 07:00 PM 17 hours ago, Guest Ed Mata said: Can a President, in the last month of presidency, appoint themselves to an office not vacant until the following follow month? No. 17 hours ago, Hieu H. Huynh said: Only if the bylaws give the president such power. Even if the bylaws grant the President the authority to fill vacancies, I don't think the President can fill a vacancy which will not exist until after his term is over. 16 hours ago, Kim Goldsworthy said: If your president is empowered to appoint that given specific office, then your president is free to appoint himself. -- When the seat is vacant. Well, no, because when the seat is vacant, this person will no longer be President. If the President fills vacancies, it will be the new President who will fill this vacancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 6, 2017 at 07:07 PM Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 at 07:07 PM I agree that the president cannot nominate himself (or anyone) in anticipation of a vacancy that has not yet occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted January 7, 2017 at 05:53 PM Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 at 05:53 PM 22 hours ago, Gary Novosielski said: I agree that the president cannot nominate himself (or anyone) in anticipation of a vacancy that has not yet occurred. I don't see any problem, as a general rule, with a known vacancy being filled in advance. If a resignation is submitted and accepted, but the resignation does not take effect until a later date, it seems entirely appropriate for the person or assembly empowered to fill the vacancy to do so in advance of the effective date. The appointment will, of course, not take effect until the resignation is effective. The issue here is that the vacancy does not exist until after the President leaves office. Therefore, he is attempting to fill a vacancy which should rightly be filled by his successor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 8, 2017 at 08:43 PM Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 at 08:43 PM On 1/7/2017 at 0:53 PM, Josh Martin said: I don't see any problem, as a general rule, with a known vacancy being filled in advance. If a resignation is submitted and accepted, but the resignation does not take effect until a later date, it seems entirely appropriate for the person or assembly empowered to fill the vacancy to do so in advance of the effective date. The appointment will, of course, not take effect until the resignation is effective. The issue here is that the vacancy does not exist until after the President leaves office. Therefore, he is attempting to fill a vacancy which should rightly be filled by his successor. That's what I thought I said until I re-read it and discovered that apparently I only said it my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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