Guest Nancy N. Posted February 4, 2017 at 05:25 PM Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 at 05:25 PM 9 minutes ago, Ken said: the remaining members of the Board of Directors So, Ken. It looks as if your president thinks that he,himself, is the board of directors. Do you buy that? It looks as if none of use here does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nancy N. Posted February 4, 2017 at 06:01 PM Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 at 06:01 PM 34 minutes ago, Guest Nancy N. said: So, Ken. It looks as if your president thinks that he,himself, is the board of directors. Do you buy that? It looks as if none of use here does. (I wrote the above before seeing Mr. Brown's characteristically magisterial reply. I'm just wondering now what his next step is. But I suppose he can handle that himself.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted February 5, 2017 at 03:24 PM Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 at 03:24 PM I thank you for your answers, but the question of the secretary still exists. She resigned from her position but then was appointed to the same position. I believe our bylaws prohibit this.. 6. A member may resign from the Board at any time by sending a letter to the Club. If their resignation is received verbally; the Club will send that member a letter stating that their resignation has been accepted. A Board member cannot be reinstated to that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted February 5, 2017 at 05:41 PM Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 at 05:41 PM 2 hours ago, Ken said: I thank you for your answers, but the question of the secretary still exists. She resigned from her position but then was appointed to the same position. I believe our bylaws prohibit this.. 6. A member may resign from the Board at any time by sending a letter to the Club. If their resignation is received verbally; the Club will send that member a letter stating that their resignation has been accepted. A Board member cannot be reinstated to that position. It is ultimately up to your organization to interpret its bylaws and to decide whether appointing the secretary to her recently resigned position amounts to reinstating her. I am assuming she was appointed by the proper body, which I believe you have said is the board. If the board was supposed to make the appointment but she was appointed by the president, then her appointment is not valid unless the board ratified the appointment. Those little things make a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted February 5, 2017 at 08:55 PM Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 at 08:55 PM In fact, they do not even have the right to show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted February 5, 2017 at 11:09 PM Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 at 11:09 PM 2 hours ago, Gary Novosielski said: In fact, they do not even have the right to show up. Huh? Who does not have the right to show up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted February 5, 2017 at 11:31 PM Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 at 11:31 PM 20 minutes ago, Richard Brown said: Huh? Who does not have the right to show up? "Interim members" improperly appointed by the president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:18 AM Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 at 12:18 AM 3 hours ago, Gary Novosielski said: In fact, they do not even have the right to show up. 1 hour ago, Richard Brown said: Huh? Who does not have the right to show up? 50 minutes ago, Gary Novosielski said: "Interim members" improperly appointed by the president. Well, yes, IF they were improperly appointed by the president. I don't think we know that for a fact. Ken has not told us definitively who (or which body) appointed these three board members despite several requests. He seems to think it doesn't matter who made the appointments, but it makes a huge difference. He seems now, after 25+ comments, to be of the opinion that those "interim" members do have the right to vote, indicating to me that he believes they were properly appointed by the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted February 6, 2017 at 09:28 PM Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 at 09:28 PM 21 hours ago, Richard Brown said: Well, yes, IF they were improperly appointed by the president. I don't think we know that for a fact. Ken has not told us definitively who (or which body) appointed these three board members despite several requests. He seems to think it doesn't matter who made the appointments, but it makes a huge difference. He seems now, after 25+ comments, to be of the opinion that those "interim" members do have the right to vote, indicating to me that he believes they were properly appointed by the board. I was going by the bylaws quote that said the remaining board, not the president, could fill vacancies. But I won't assert that this is by any means clear. and it seems the more information we get the less clear it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted February 6, 2017 at 11:22 PM Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 at 11:22 PM OK...So the board accepted the presidents picks..So with this the bylaw ( 6. A member may resign from the Board at any time by sending a letter to the Club. If their resignation is received verbally; the Club will send that member a letter stating that their resignation has been accepted. A Board member cannot be reinstated to that position) is not held up? It was also understood that those positions were deemed interim until those positions could be permanently filled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted February 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM I doubt that any of your officers or directors who are selected to fill an unexpired term are actually interim numbers. An interim number normally serves by appointment only until a special election can be held. But when a person is selected to fill the unexpired term of a member who died or resigned, that new member is not an interim number but is a full, regular permanent member just the same as every other number. The position IS permanently filled at the time someone is selected to fill it for the remainder of the term. I think your organization would do well to get rid of this interim designation. It appears to me these people are not interim directors or officers but are permanent Directors & officers serving until the expiration of the original term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted February 7, 2017 at 02:05 AM Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 at 02:05 AM I understand that. But what about the secretary that resigned and now has the position. To me this means our bylaw means nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Who's Coming to Dinner Posted February 7, 2017 at 02:30 AM Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 at 02:30 AM if this action was taken in violation of the bylaws, then it is null and void. But someone will have to raise a point of order before anything will be done about it. Ultimately, it's up to the organization to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted February 7, 2017 at 03:56 AM Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 at 03:56 AM 1 hour ago, Ken said: I understand that. But what about the secretary that resigned and now has the position. To me this means our bylaw means nothing Ken, I responded to that question several comments ago. We cannot answer that question for you. It is a matter of interpreting your bylaws, which is something we do not do on this forum. Each organization must interpret its own bylaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted February 7, 2017 at 06:11 AM Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 at 06:11 AM (edited) 2 hours ago, Richard Brown said: Ken, Richard. Please dismember yourself from this thread starting now. Edited February 7, 2017 at 06:43 AM by Gary c Tesser I started with "disencumber," but realized it wasn't emphatic enough. Or gory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted February 7, 2017 at 06:50 AM Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 at 06:50 AM Ken, do you realize that these two topics (quoting you, right below) are entirely different, though related, subjects, and that no attempt to discuss them together will be coherent? 7 hours ago, Ken said: So with this the bylaw ( 6. A member may resign .... A Board member cannot be reinstated to that position) is not held up? 7 hours ago, Ken said: It was also understood that those positions were deemed interim until those positions could be permanently filled. So we should stop. I propose that if we want to discuss "interim" board memberships further -- and, ever Pollyannish, I am hopeful that it would be fruitful to try, though painful -- we do it here on this thread; but for anything at all about the secretary's putatively improperly replacing herself, open another thread for it. Please, Ken, would you do that? And posters, please go along with this request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted February 8, 2017 at 03:22 AM Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 at 03:22 AM On 2/6/2017 at 6:22 PM, Ken said: OK...So the board accepted the presidents picks..So with this the bylaw ( 6. A member may resign from the Board at any time by sending a letter to the Club. If their resignation is received verbally; the Club will send that member a letter stating that their resignation has been accepted. A Board member cannot be reinstated to that position) is not held up? It was also understood that those positions were deemed interim until those positions could be permanently filled. Well, being "deemed interim" is not something that RONR deals with. The word "interim" appears only once in RONR and only in connection to interim reports. Presuming (perhaps generously) that The resignations were properly tendered and accepted The board is empowered to fill vacancies created by resignations The board did properly fill the vacancies, albeit upon recommendation by the president Then, if the rules in RONR apply those persons appointed are members, and adjectives such as "interim" or "permanent" are misleading, of no effect, and inappropriate. These new members would serve for the unexpired remainder of the terms of their predecessors, with full membership rights including the right to vote. So that's where I'll leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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