Guest Guest Posted October 2, 2018 at 12:53 AM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 12:53 AM Must the member who moves the motion vote in favor of that action? I want to move that an action be identified to take place, but not be required to vote in-favor of that action. For example, I would like to move that we all wear pink hats, but I am not in favor of wearing pink hats. If the motion gets on the table and it receives a second, then are those two members required to vote in-favor of that motion? Really need a quick response on how to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted October 2, 2018 at 01:11 AM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 01:11 AM No, but you may not speak against it in debate. The seconder may speak against it in debate. See p. 393, ll. 19-25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zev Posted October 2, 2018 at 01:11 AM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 01:11 AM You may vote against it. What you cannot do is join the debate and debate against your own motion. (RONR, 11th edition, page 393.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 2, 2018 at 09:46 AM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 09:46 AM But you can move to Postpone Indefinitely, and speak in favor of that motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted October 2, 2018 at 12:11 PM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 12:11 PM 11 hours ago, Guest Guest said: Must the member who moves the motion vote in favor of that action? I want to move that an action be identified to take place, but not be required to vote in-favor of that action. For example, I would like to move that we all wear pink hats, but I am not in favor of wearing pink hats. If the motion gets on the table and it receives a second, then are those two members required to vote in-favor of that motion? Really need a quick response on how to do this. Your best course of action is not to make the motion. And I'm not at all sure that I agree with my friend Dr. Stackpole that it is proper to make a motion and then, while speaking in debate on it, move its indefinite postponement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted October 2, 2018 at 01:37 PM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 01:37 PM (edited) 12 hours ago, Guest Guest said: Must the member who moves the motion vote in favor of that action? I want to move that an action be identified to take place, but not be required to vote in-favor of that action. The maker of a motion is not required to vote in favor of the motion, but this is generally relevant because the motion may be amended, or that the motion maker may change his mind. It is generally expected that the motion maker is in favor of the motion at the time he makes it. There is generally no point in making a motion that you do not support. Could you explain exactly why you wish to make a motion that you do not intend to vote in favor of? There may be a better way to accomplish your objective. 12 hours ago, Guest Guest said: For example, I would like to move that we all wear pink hats, but I am not in favor of wearing pink hats. If the motion gets on the table and it receives a second, then are those two members required to vote in-favor of that motion? No, but again, I question the wisdom in doing this. Edited October 2, 2018 at 01:39 PM by Josh Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zev Posted October 2, 2018 at 05:38 PM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 05:38 PM Quote A member may second a motion (even if using the word "support" as indicated above) because he would like to see the assembly go on record as rejecting the proposal, if he believes a vote on the motion would have such a result. RONR, 11th edition, page 36. The possibility exists that the OP wishes to have his organization go on record as opposing pink hats. Nothing complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted October 2, 2018 at 11:50 PM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 11:50 PM 6 hours ago, Guest Zev said: The possibility exists that the OP wishes to have his organization go on record as opposing pink hats. Nothing complicated. I'm not sure this provision technically applies, since the OP is about moving, not seconding, but, regardless, this bothers me. I can see it for seconding - the motion is already being made, after all - but if I wish to put my organization on the record as opposing pink hats, I think I should move something to that effect. Here's why: in general, we don't record vote counts. A motion to support pink hats can fail on a tie, and be indistinguishable in the minutes from one that failed by a large margin. But in the former case, trying to express opposition to pink hats directly would also fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 3, 2018 at 02:21 AM Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 at 02:21 AM 14 hours ago, Daniel H. Honemann said: And I'm not at all sure that I agree with my friend Dr. Stackpole that it is proper to make a motion and then, while speaking in debate on it, move its indefinite postponement. Well, I base that proposal as an extension the explicit statement on p. 393 that if the mover (no longer) likes the motion he made, he can request permission to withdraw it. Post Indef (if adopted) and withdraw (if permitted) both have the same effect of removing the motion from further consideration by the assembly by a majority decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atul Kapur Posted October 3, 2018 at 03:01 AM Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 at 03:01 AM 9 hours ago, Guest Zev said: RONR, 11th edition, page 36. The possibility exists that the OP wishes to have his organization go on record as opposing pink hats. Nothing complicated. Except that defeating a motion supporting pink hats is not the same as going on record as opposing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted October 3, 2018 at 09:59 AM Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 at 09:59 AM 7 hours ago, jstackpo said: Well, I base that proposal as an extension the explicit statement on p. 393 that if the mover (no longer) likes the motion he made, he can request permission to withdraw it. Post Indef (if adopted) and withdraw (if permitted) both have the same effect of removing the motion from further consideration by the assembly by a majority decision. Indefinite postponement of a motion is effectively a rejection of it, just the same as if it had been voted on and rejected. Withdrawal of a motion has no such effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 3, 2018 at 11:14 AM Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 at 11:14 AM OK, I stand corrected. I request permission to withdraw my initial post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted October 3, 2018 at 11:19 AM Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 at 11:19 AM 4 minutes ago, jstackpo said: OK, I stand corrected. I request permission to withdraw my initial post. Without objection, so ordered. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 4, 2018 at 09:30 AM Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 at 09:30 AM 22 hours ago, Daniel H. Honemann said: Without objection, so ordered. 🙂 Objection. Nah, on second thought, I request permission to withdraw my objection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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