Abby Normal Posted January 16, 2019 at 06:27 AM Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 at 06:27 AM Any examples would be helpful. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted January 16, 2019 at 06:29 AM Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 at 06:29 AM Standing rule: Smoking is not allowed in the clubhouse. Special rule of order: Each speech in debate is limited to five minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abby Normal Posted January 16, 2019 at 06:43 AM Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 at 06:43 AM Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted January 16, 2019 at 06:43 AM Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 at 06:43 AM Here is part of how RONR describes rules of order on pages 15-17: The term rules of order refers to written rules of parliamentary procedure formally adopted by an assembly or an organization. Such rules relate to the orderly transaction of business in meetings and to the duties of officers in that connection. The object of rules of order is to facilitate the smooth functioning of the assembly and to provide a firm basis for resolving questions of procedure that may arise, (Note: RONR devotes two more pages to rules of order and special rules of order). Here is the description of standing rules on page 18: Standing rules, as understood in this book except in the case of conventions, are rules (1) which are related to the details of the administration of a society rather than to parliamentary procedure, and (2) which can be adopted or changed upon the same conditions as any ordinary act of the society. An example of such a rule might be one setting the hour at which meetings are to begin, or one relating to the maintenance of a guest register. Standing rules generally are not adopted at the time a society is organized, but individually if and when the need arises. Like special rules of order, standing rules may be printed under a separate heading in the booklet containing the bylaws, and in such a case, any enacting words such as "Resolved, That" should be dropped. A standing rule can be adopted by a majority vote without previous notice, provided that it does not conflict with or amend any existing rule or act of the society. (For the vote required for rescinding or amending such a rule, see p. 306, ll. 24–31.) A standing rule remains in effect until rescinded or amended, but if it has its application only within the context of a meeting, it can be suspended at any particular session (although not for future sessions) by a majority vote. Rules that have any application outside a meeting context, however, cannot be suspended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted January 16, 2019 at 07:02 AM Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 at 07:02 AM Here is what RONRIB (Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised In Brief) says about rules of order and standing rules on pages 85-86: 4. Rules of Order The regulation of the conduct of business in meetings is the function of rules of order. While bylaws must be written specifically for each different organization, in most respects rules for the conduct of meetings can be almost entirely the same from group to group. Indeed, people who belong to more than one group would find it very difficult if it were necessary to use a wholly different set of rules for the conduct of meetings for each group.Normally, groups clearly identify the rules of order for their meetings by adopting in their bylaws the rules found in a well-established manual on the subject, which is then known as the organization's parliamentary authority (see p. 100). When the group finds a need to vary those rules for its own particular purposes, it then adopts special rules of order that supersede any conflicting rules in the book. (To take a common example, many groups adopt a special rule of order that sets tighter limits for debate, such as three minutes per speech rather than ten.) Rules of order are intended to have stability from meeting to meeting. For this reason, to adopt or amend special rules of order requires previous notice and a two-thirds vote, or else—with or without previous notice—a vote of a majority of the entire membership of the voting body (not just of those who are present at the meeting). A standard bylaw provision incorporating this approach reads, "The rules contained in the current edition of Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised shall govern the Society in all cases to which they are applicable and in which they are not inconsistent with these bylaws and any special rules of order the Society may adopt."* [RONR (11th ed.), pp. 15–17; p. 580, ll. 6–24; p. 588, ll. 4–8.] [page 87] 5. Standing Rules Sometimes there are administrative details that are not important enough to be put in the bylaws and that do not relate to the conduct of business at meetings. For example, there might be a rule that the names of guests should be entered in a special guest register, and that they should be seated in a particular part of the meeting room. This sort of administrative detail is put into standing rules. Standing rules require only a majority vote to adopt. To amend them takes either a majority vote with previous notice or, without notice, a two-thirds vote or a vote of a majority of the entire membership of the voting body. [RONR (11th ed.), p. 18.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted January 16, 2019 at 12:20 PM Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 at 12:20 PM Hey, how about leaving some goodies reserved for people who actually buy the book(s)? 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abby Normal Posted January 16, 2019 at 01:42 PM Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 at 01:42 PM 1 hour ago, Shmuel Gerber said: Hey, how about leaving some goodies reserved for people who actually buy the book(s)? 😀 What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abby Normal Posted January 16, 2019 at 01:43 PM Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 at 01:43 PM 6 hours ago, Richard Brown said: Here is what RONRIB (Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised In Brief) says about rules of order and standing rules on pages 85-86: 4. Rules of Order The regulation of the conduct of business in meetings is the function of rules of order. While bylaws must be written specifically for each different organization, in most respects rules for the conduct of meetings can be almost entirely the same from group to group. Indeed, people who belong to more than one group would find it very difficult if it were necessary to use a wholly different set of rules for the conduct of meetings for each group.Normally, groups clearly identify the rules of order for their meetings by adopting in their bylaws the rules found in a well-established manual on the subject, which is then known as the organization's parliamentary authority (see p. 100). When the group finds a need to vary those rules for its own particular purposes, it then adopts special rules of order that supersede any conflicting rules in the book. (To take a common example, many groups adopt a special rule of order that sets tighter limits for debate, such as three minutes per speech rather than ten.) Rules of order are intended to have stability from meeting to meeting. For this reason, to adopt or amend special rules of order requires previous notice and a two-thirds vote, or else—with or without previous notice—a vote of a majority of the entire membership of the voting body (not just of those who are present at the meeting). A standard bylaw provision incorporating this approach reads, "The rules contained in the current edition of Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised shall govern the Society in all cases to which they are applicable and in which they are not inconsistent with these bylaws and any special rules of order the Society may adopt."* [RONR (11th ed.), pp. 15–17; p. 580, ll. 6–24; p. 588, ll. 4–8.] [page 87] 5. Standing Rules Sometimes there are administrative details that are not important enough to be put in the bylaws and that do not relate to the conduct of business at meetings. For example, there might be a rule that the names of guests should be entered in a special guest register, and that they should be seated in a particular part of the meeting room. This sort of administrative detail is put into standing rules. Standing rules require only a majority vote to adopt. To amend them takes either a majority vote with previous notice or, without notice, a two-thirds vote or a vote of a majority of the entire membership of the voting body. [RONR (11th ed.), p. 18.] Thank you much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted January 16, 2019 at 03:18 PM Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 at 03:18 PM 2 hours ago, Shmuel Gerber said: Hey, how about leaving some goodies reserved for people who actually buy the book(s)? 😀 1 hour ago, Abby Normal said: What do you mean? I mean that Mr. Brown generously quoted more than 700 words from the official RONR books. While excerpts can be helpful in answering particular questions, we like to encourage visitors to this website to obtain the books and refer to the text themselves. See http://www.robertsrules.com/book.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abby Normal Posted January 17, 2019 at 03:12 AM Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 at 03:12 AM 11 hours ago, Shmuel Gerber said: I mean that Mr. Brown generously quoted more than 700 words from the official RONR books. While excerpts can be helpful in answering particular questions, we like to encourage visitors to this website to obtain the books and refer to the text themselves. See http://www.robertsrules.com/book.html I do have multiple copies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted January 17, 2019 at 03:36 AM Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 at 03:36 AM 18 minutes ago, Abby Normal said: I do have multiple copies. If I had known that I would have just cited page numbers! I guess it was an unusual amount of copy and paste! I think I'm one of the two frequent posters who regularly suggests people purchase either RONR or RONR in Brief and provides links to them! Glad you have the book! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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