Tomm Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:34 AM Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:34 AM If the main motion has been stated, then a motion to "postpone to a certain time" is stated, is that motion to "postpone to a certain time" considered a "primary amendment" and a "secondary amendment" can then also be offered? We had a situation where a member wanted to make a motion to add certain conditions to the "postpone" motion, which I would have considered to be the "secondary amendment" but the chair said it was out of order! Am I correct that the chair got it wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:35 AM Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:35 AM (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tomm said: If the main motion has been stated, then a motion to "postpone to a certain time" is stated, is that motion to "postpone to a certain time" considered a "primary amendment" and a "secondary amendment" can then also be offered? No, postpone is not an amendment. It's a separate motion with its own rules. 8 minutes ago, Tomm said: We had a situation where a member wanted to make a motion to add certain conditions to the "postpone" motion, which I would have considered to be the "secondary amendment" but the chair said it was out of order! Postpone is amendable (I think, again, my book is packed) as to the time, within the limits of the rules governing postponement. I can't speak to the particular amendment offered without more details. In any case, it is not a secondary amendment. Edited June 28, 2019 at 03:43 AM by Joshua Katz Typed something nonsensical by accident. I usually do it on purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:41 AM Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:41 AM Looks like you guys could both use a new copy of the 11th Edition of RONR. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:42 AM Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:42 AM No, I'll be fine once I move and unpack. So in a couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:48 AM Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:48 AM So then, if "postpone to a certain time" was a motion, then am I correct that the chair should have allowed it to be amended by adding conditions to the "postponement"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:59 AM Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 at 03:59 AM It is amendable as to the certain time to which it is postponed. What are the conditions? Perhaps someone whose book is not packed can answer more definitively on that once we know what they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted June 28, 2019 at 04:11 AM Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 at 04:11 AM The conditions were; that while the motion was being "postponed to a certain time", alternative places to store certain pieces of equipment would try to be found. The Main motion was causing a certain storage location to be given to another group to turn into office space. Hence, the motion to postpone was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted June 28, 2019 at 04:28 AM Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 at 04:28 AM I do not believe such an amendment would be in order. A motion on that topic could be made after the motion to postpone is dealt with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zev Posted June 28, 2019 at 05:12 AM Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 at 05:12 AM Mr. Katz is correct. The motion to Postpone cannot have a condition attached to it. Quote 6. Is amendable as to the time to which the main question is to be postponed, and as to making the postponed question a special order (see pp. 185-88; 41). RONR 11th edition page 182, Standard Descriptive Characteristic #6. My suggestion is for you to state in the debate on the motion to Postpone that if the motion is voted down you will offer a motion to Refer it to a committee with the instructions "to find alternative places to store certain pieces of equipment" or something to that effect. Whenever the committee reports, they will report that a new location has been found and suggest the amendment necessary to close the financial deal if one is needed, and the motion that you adopt will state the new location for the storage and the giveaway to the other group all in one single motion. If members do not like the arrangement they can reject the motion and the previous location is still yours and no new obligation has been assumed. If the committee has not found a new location then the assembly can reject the motion and nothing has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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