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During elections if you have 1 candidate elected to 2 office positions and they choose the one they wish to serve does the remaining candidate automatically then become the winner or is their another election held for that position.

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13 minutes ago, Guest Crown Fixed said:

During elections if you have 1 candidate elected to 2 office positions and they choose the one they wish to serve does the remaining candidate automatically then become the winner or is their another election held for that position.

Another election is held.

"When voting for multiple offices by a single ballot, the members are not able to take the result for one office into account when voting for another office. For this reason, a candidate is never deemed elected to more than one office by a single ballot unless the motion or rules governing the election specifically provide for such simultaneous election. When there is no such provision, a candidate who receives a majority for more than one office on a single ballot must, if present, choose which one of the offices he will accept; if he is absent, the assembly decides by a ballot vote the office to be assigned to him. This question, which is debatable, requires a majority vote for adoption. The assembly then ballots again to fill the other office(s). (The assembly is free, however, to elect the same person to another office on a subsequent ballot, unless the bylaws prohibit a person from holding both offices simultaneously.)"  RONR, 12th ed., 46:31(1), (emphasis supplied).

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So if I understand correctly:

One person elected in the same ballot for 2 offices can only get both offices if the bylaws allow it.

One person elected to two offices in separate ballots can get both offices except if the bylaws prohibit it.

And I guess the same ballot means ballots at the same time.

As for example the ballot is done by putting 2 ballots one for each office in separate boxes (one for each office) that  counts as the same ballot for :is rule)

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29 minutes ago, Guest puzzllng said:

One person elected in the same ballot for 2 offices can only get both offices if the bylaws allow it.

. . . if the bylaws specifically provide for simultaneous election, not just allow one individual to hold two offices

31 minutes ago, Guest puzzllng said:

One person elected to two offices in separate ballots can get both offices except if the bylaws prohibit it.

Well, if the bylaws prohibit a person from holding two offices at the same time, then they are ineligible for the second ballot and cannot be elected to the second office (votes for that person would be illegal votes).
This assumes that the first election is complete before the votes for the second office are cast. 

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2 hours ago, Atul Kapur said:

. . . if the bylaws specifically provide for simultaneous election, not just allow one individual to hold two offices

Well, if the bylaws prohibit a person from holding two offices at the same time, then they are ineligible for the second ballot and cannot be elected to the second office (votes for that person would be illegal votes).
This assumes that the first election is complete before the votes for the second office are cast. 

I'm not so sure that being elected to one office necessarily means that the member would be ineligible for election to the other office. Even if the bylaws prohibit holding two offices, the member might decide to decline the first one (or resign, if he already had accepted it).

More important, even if the votes for that member are illegal, they still count as votes case, and are included in calculation of the majority. If the other candidate did not receive a majority of the votes cast (including the illegal votes), a new election still would have to be held.

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On 5/28/2021 at 11:01 AM, Guest puzzllng said:

So if I understand correctly:

One person elected in the same ballot for 2 offices can only get both offices if the bylaws allow it.

One person elected to more than one office at the same time must choose one of the offices, and a new election is held for those not chosen.  But this rule does not apply if each office is elected in separate ballots, so that the voters know the results for one office before voting on the next.

If the new election is required, the person originally elected can then be elected to an additional office, if the bylaws don't have a rule against holding multiple offices.  Some combinations are common, such as secretary/treasurer, while others make little sense, such as one person being both president and vice president, or president and secretary.  Still, RONR does not explicitly prohibit those, apparently presuming that members will have enough sense not to elect people in   nonsensical arrangements.  One is free to hope.

 

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