An appeal can not come from known facts, evident truths, established rules or laws?

[Baofeng Ma]

An appeal can not come from known facts, evident truths, established rules or laws? 

Is it correct?

[Joshua Katz]

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're asking.

[Baofeng Ma]

On 6/5/2023 at 8:23 PM, Joshua Katz said:

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're asking.

For example, 

A: I move to suspend the rules and elect eight delegates. (seconded)

Chair: The motion is out of order because it violates the bylaws.

A: I appeal from the decision of the chair. (seconded)

Chair: The appeal is out of order. The bylaws can not be suspended. 

[Joshua Katz]

Assuming there is a rule in the bylaws, not in the nature of a rule of order, preventing you from electing eight delegates (that does not provide for its own suspension), then I agree there cannot be two reasonable views on the matter and the appeal is dilatory. But that's a lot of ifs before the matter is obvious!

[Baofeng Ma]

On 6/5/2023 at 8:41 PM, Joshua Katz said:

Assuming there is a rule in the bylaws, not in the nature of a rule of order, preventing you from electing eight delegates (that does not provide for its own suspension), then I agree there cannot be two reasonable views on the matter and the appeal is dilatory. But that's a lot of ifs before the matter is obvious!

Let's assume the appeal is an established rules (not dilatory). Does the appeal can come to the floor? 

[Shmuel Gerber]

The rule in RONR (12th ed.) 24:3 states, "when the chair rules on a question about which there cannot possibly be two reasonable opinions, an appeal would be dilatory and is not allowed."

A member may appeal from the decision of the chair even if the decision is based on a rule, if the member disagrees with how the rule should be interpreted and applied to the particular situation. 

[Baofeng Ma]

On 6/5/2023 at 9:48 PM, Shmuel Gerber said:

The rule in RONR (12th ed.) 24:3 states, "when the chair rules on a question about which there cannot possibly be two reasonable opinions, an appeal would be dilatory and is not allowed."

A member may appeal from the decision of the chair even if the decision is based on a rule, if the member disagrees with how the rule should be interpreted and applied to the particular situation. 

Thank you for the elaboration.