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Benjamin Geiger

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  1. The way I interpreted OP's question is this: Alice (the current president), Bob, and Cindy are running for the office of president. A vote is taken by ballot, with all members (including Alice, Bob, and Cindy) voting. Alice and Bob earn 7 votes each and Cindy earns 5. Alice claims to have the authority to cast an additional vote, presumably for herself, to break the tie. As so often occurs, it comes down to what the bylaws say. RONR's procedure is clear (to me at least), but the bylaws could easily have overridden it, and if "Our constitution states that the president should cast the vote" is taken at face value, that's precisely what happened. Guest Julie, what do your constitution and bylaws say on the matter? Please quote them verbatim, don't paraphrase.
  2. Should minutes reflect bad behavior

    Take a look at p. 471 and pp. 646ff. TL;DR: Yes, if the chair "names" the offender, then the "naming" (and the words that led to it) should be entered into the minutes.
  3. I mean, I could boot the whole thing into WIndows if I wanted to set aside 100+ GB of my 500GB drive for it, or I could run a virtual machine (which would still require a sizable investment of drive space). And that doesn't help with the tablet. PDFs keep the original page layout, so that's an option that doesn't risk having references go awry.
  4. I had heard about that, but as it's only available for Windows, it only helps me when I'm at home sitting in front of my Windows PC, and not when I'm away from home and using my (five-year-old) Mac laptop, or at a meeting on my (year-old off-brand) Android tablet. Plus the price is prohibitive; I'm currently unemployed so I can't afford $75 for another copy of RONR.
  5. Tangentially: Are there any plans to release RONR 12th ed. (or even 11th ed.) in any sort of electronic format (ePub, Kindle, etc)? I know it'd be a lot more convenient if I were able to pull up the book on my tablet instead of carrying around dead trees.
  6. Is the committee acting on its own, and bringing the motion to the membership as a fait accompli? Or is the committee specifying the agenda to be followed, preventing other new business from being introduced?
  7. Use/Misuse of Unanimous Consent

    So I guess the question is: what can't unanimous consent be used for? The only things that leap to mind are situations where the bylaws mandate a specific form of vote (ballot or roll call)...
  8. Membership roll call

    I think the question is whether the 3/4 requirement is 3/4 of those present and voting, or 3/4 of the entire membership. The former can be done with a division of the assembly (if it's not obvious from the voice vote). The latter requires a counted vote of some sort, along with knowledge of the number of members, but not necessarily a roll call.
  9. I was going back to the original scenario where the five-minute rule was either in the parliamentary authority that was removed or was a special rule of order that was rescinded, leaving the custom behind.
  10. Perhaps I'm the last person who should be complaining about angels-dancing-on-pinheads questions (seeing as how I, as a programmer, deal with those sorts of hypotheticals in systems on a regular basis*), but from a practical angle, how would one change custom? Going back to the 5 minute rule: I'd presume that if the assembly no longer wishes to follow the 5 minute rule, having rescinded the rule that imposed it, then when the chair cuts off a speaker after five minutes, a member can raise a point of order (and appeal if the chair persists)? * Does it seem to anyone else that programmers and computer-science types (such as myself) are somewhat overrepresented in the parliamentary community? (Of the five bios on the back cover, one includes a reference to a CS degree and another a reference to a degree in mathematics focusing on logic...) Is this just how we think?
  11. Lossof a quorum in a meeting

    I'd imagine that in certain circumstances the chair could get unanimous consent to adjourn? EDIT: In other words, the chair could say something like "There is no longer a quorum. If there is no objection, we will adjourn. (pause) Hearing no objection..."
  12. Rescinded motion

    Let me see if I understand what happened: A motion is made that "The board will consider a bid from ABC Lanscaping to maintain the landscape area." That motion does not pass (earning less than a majority in the positive). Somehow that failed motion gets "rescinded". Am I correct in this? If so, there's nothing to "rescind", as there is no previously adopted motion. If you want the board to consider the bid, someone needs to make a motion to that effect and the assembly has to vote on it.
  13. Dual Positions

    As I understand it, one person can fill multiple roles but they still only get one vote. This is, of course, assuming your bylaws don't specify something different.
  14. Again, I'm curious how much of that is because the authors expected the president to be the only officer that is an ex officio member of all committees. I'm definitely going to recommend that this is clarified in our next bylaws revision (as I mentioned before, it's coming soon). In this case, at least, it's moot because we don't have a nominating committee.
  15. Okay, I'm home and I have the Book. RONR 11th ed. p. 457 ll. 1-6 says: This portion by itself implies that being an ex-officio member is what causes the president to not count toward quorum. But then there's p. 497, ll. 22-29: So yeah, I'm pretty sure Mr. Novosielski is right on this one. I think I'll have to suggest adding a clause clarifying things (putting the vice chairs in the same category as the chair, or even possibly removing their ex officio status) when we revise our bylaws (which should happen in a few months, as soon as our parent organization finishes amending theirs).
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