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  1. Benjamin Geiger

    New Kindle version of RONR coming Out?

    PDF is a page-based format, so there's no worry about pagination in that case. Go ahead and add me to the list of people who want an electronic form of RONR that works on mobile devices.
  2. So, as I understand it, if a motion is properly made and seconded, the chair is required to at least acknowledge it. She can either place it in front of the assembly or rule it dilatory or otherwise out of order. If she rules it out of order, then any two members can Appeal the decision, in which case the assembly decides whether the motion is in order. If she doesn't acknowledge the motion at all, then the procedure on p. 650f applies. EDIT: It should also be noted that your bylaws may have provisions that supersede this. For instance, the organization I'm working with right now has a requirement that any new business that isn't vetted by the steering committee (board) can only be heard if two thirds of those present and voting agree to hear it. (I'm working on a full revision of the bylaws—they need it—and this provision won't be part of the revision if I can help it.)
  3. Take a look at p. 650f, specifically the part labeled "Enforcing Points of Order and Appeals".
  4. [Is there a better place to ask advice on matters that don't directly involve interpretation of RONR? - BG] We are a county chapter of a political party. As such, the consensus is that our proceedings affect everyone registered as a member of the party, whether or not they are a voting member of the organization, and as such, we historically have permitted nonmembers to attend and participate in debate. (Yes, I know there's a rule in RONR against participation in debate, but I've been picking my battles; I intend to propose a special rule of order in the near future to make it formally acceptable.) The problem comes down to voting. We don't allow nonmembers to vote, of course, but in several cases we've caught nonmembers attempting to vote on contentious motions. They've only been caught because a couple of eagle-eyed members were suspicious and saw them voting. The vote was voided and retaken with more caution. One option we've considered is requiring nonmembers to remain in a specific part of the room, but as I understand it, there are many cases where members and nonmembers wish to sit together (often one spouse is a member), and we generally have members sitting in most of the areas and standing along most walls. I've seen suggestions to use voting cards for divisions of the assembly, but I'm not sure of the logistics of that, and I know that a large number would wander off after each meeting. Or we could go into executive session for the particularly contentious votes, or use roll-call votes (but at 100+ members, that'd take quite a while). What should we do to keep our votes secure?
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    I'm glad we could... illuminate matters.
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    Ah, I stand corrected.
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    In the absence of provisions in the bylaws for their own amendment, would the normal fnord rules for the motion to Amend Something Previously Adopted apply?
  8. Benjamin Geiger

    Directors question

    This sounds to me like an example of what we in the coding world refer to as an "XY problem". "Is the membership chair an elected position?" is Y. What is X? In other words, why do you need to know? What are you trying to accomplish?
  9. Benjamin Geiger

    Motions and Organization Bylaws

    If the membership wants the treasurer to not have to pay their dues, there are ways to do so even with the bylaws mentioned. An altered motion that seems (to me) more likely to pass muster would be for the organization itself to pay the dues for the exempted member. This would work for both the "the bylaws say dues must be paid" issue and the "one organization can't override a parent organization's rules" matter Mr. Brown brings up.
  10. Tangentially related: Instead of having the "more than half need to vote in the negative" rule, why isn't the question changed to "should the decision of the chair be overturned?" with a majority in the positive being needed to overturn?
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    This is a legal question, not a parliamentary one. You'll need to contact an attorney that practices in the relevant jurisdiction.
  12. Benjamin Geiger

    voting with proxy

    Since RONR doesn't allow proxy voting, that would depend entirely on the contents of your bylaws.
  13. Benjamin Geiger

    Incorrect? parliamentary authority

    Why was the title changed in the first place?
  14. Benjamin Geiger

    Email Meetings

    Only if the bylaws explicitly authorize them. In any case, they're a bad idea.
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    A motion to Postpone Indefinitely (PI) has to be applied to a main motion, so if there isn't already a motion on the floor, the motion to PI is out of order. (Postpone what?) If the only motion on the floor is the main motion, then the motion to PI takes precedence (is handled first). If the PI motion passes, the main motion is suppressed until the end of the current session (in most organizations, the current meeting). If it fails, then discussion of the main motion continues. If any other motion is pending, or if the Previous Question has been moved and passed, the motion to PI is out of order. If another motion is applied to either the main motion or the motion to PI, that other motion is handled before the PI motion. Consult the chart on page 3 of the shaded section in the back for a guide to which motions take precedence over which.