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  1. Taking apart your compound question...

    1)  A meeting may be called to order even with no quorum present (and the prospect of one ever showing up unlikely) (p. 347)

    but...

    2)  (Almost) no business, such as postponing something, may be done at that meeting  -- exceptions on page 347 do NOT include setting a time for a future meeting, called an "adjourned meeting".

  2. I, just to add another disparate voice, think your tellers don't know how to count.

    If two ballots came back blank then only 41 votes were cast.  40 "yes"  to  1 "No"  certainly meets the "2/3 vote" requirement of the OP's strange bylaw but it looks like the total of 41 votes cast is WAAAY short of the "Majority of eligible votes cast" requirement.    The "majority of ... votes cast" is sort of equivalent to the quorum requirement of an in-person meeting.   Therefore the amendment failed because there wasn't a "quorum" "present" where the quorum is established by the "presence" of a sufficient  number of votes cast.

    And yes, e-mail or other absentee voting systems do not allow for consideration of amendments.  You need a real meeting for that.

  3. 7 minutes ago, .oOllXllOo. said:

    Personally, I find it hard to believe that a piece of business that, in its execution, did in fact break the law, could ever be seen as valid 

    The reasonable argument is that we parliamentarians are not lawyers, for the most part, so we have no business advising on legal matters, such as "Is this an illegal act?"  We should stick to our last and advise on procedure ("how", not "what") only.

  4. RONR (page 407) sez:

    ABSTAINING FROM VOTING ON A QUESTION OF DIRECT PERSONAL INTEREST. No member should vote on a question in which he has a direct personal or pecuniary interest not common to other members of the organization. For example, if a motion proposes that the organization enter into a contract with a commercial firm of which a member of the organization is an officer and from which contract he would derive personal pecuniary profit, the member should abstain from voting on the motion. However, no member can be compelled to refrain from voting in such circumstances.

    Robert, Henry M. III. Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, 11th edition (Robert's Rules of Order (Hardcover)) (Kindle Locations 7992-7996). Perseus Books Group. Kindle Edition.

    I'll leave it to you and your president to decide whether this applies to her and the chorus director position.

  5. Chances are that once the "something" was all paid for (well ahead of time) you could view the requirement for the remaining year of assessments as no longer valid.  The terms of the motion -- buying the "something" were met -- and the motion is therefore all finished with.

    But show us the exact text of the original motion to make this, perhaps, clear. (Or make it worse -- who knows.)

  6. 2 hours ago, Father Cadan said:

    c. Emergency Resolutions, the subject matter of which shall have arisen at the Convention or less than 45 days prior thereto, such as resolutions of appreciation, sympathy and condolence, shall be accepted[sic] from this rule. 

    That is quoted from your reproduction of your bylaws.

    What is to prevent anyone from announcing that they have an "emergency resolution" (such as yours to do something about the reserve fund) and insisting that it be dealt with, then and there?  "Such as" is pretty thin reed to hang an objection to the emergency on.

  7. Looks like Fr. Cadan should prepare a resolution to establish a Bylaws Review Committee to straighten this mess out, in consultation with a professional parliamentarian, of course.

    But he's gonna have to get the resolution in (to somebody) 45 days ahead of time....or else....

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