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No; someone could move to take a recess.

Unless they are voting members of the organization, the employees do not.

In answer to the second question, the motion to adjourn would not be privileged if there had already been a set time to adjourn (p. 234, #2).

I agree, in both instances. This was about instructing delegates and no where in RONR does it suggest that a special rule is needed to permit either. Mr. Honemann's initial alluded to a special rule, which is why I asked the question. If there was no notice and a majority of the entire membership was not there, it would still be in order under the rules for Suspension of the Rules.

In this case, couldn't the rule that delegates be elected by majority vote be suspended for the session?

Agreeing, I would note that p. 669 permits the assembly to create a committee on discipline that could handle all disciplinary cases, including the investigative aspects. A single committee could be appointed to investigate several cases.

There is a difference. A nonmember has no right to attend or speak at an open meeting. An honorary member has a right to to do both.

Page 95, ll. 31-33, in conjunction with p. 3., ll. 11-12, "Whenever the term member is used in this book, if refers to full participating membership in the assembly unless otherwise specified." An honorary member does not have "full participating membership" in a meeting. Therefor, the honorary member is not one of the "members of the body that is meeting," as the honoray member does not possess "full participating membership."

Well, an honorary member has a right to attend meetings and speak in debate (p. 463, ll. 21-25), but he is not a voting member and has no right to attend executive sessions.

It is not unqualified, however. It refers to " permission to advance any motion," but not "be present at" the meeting. I was hoping for language "...shall be an ex officio member, retaining all rights, except the right to vote." This clause grants rights to the ex officio member, but does not specifically grant the right to remain in the executive session. I have no doubt that the ex officio member could move to go into executive session, or appeal the decision of the chair removing him from an executive session. Either way, the chair's ruling is subject to appeal.

Unless your board meets less often that quarterly, an agenda is not used. The standard order of business is used (p. 353, ll. 17-22). Filling a vacancy under a clause in the bylaws would come under "special orders," which comes up right after reports of special committees and before unfinished business.

Se the footnote on p. 263,

That seems to cover it. I would question if such a non-voting member had a right to remain in executive (closed) session, but that is a question of bylaw interpretation.

Yes. The actual wording will determine the level of rights this non-voting ex officio member has. You might want to post the language.

I do not agree, based on p. 66, ll. 18-22. An incidental main motion that postpones something indefinitely can be adopted.

No, under that wording, it would not be possible for the person to remain.

I think that it does give the answer, however. 1. If a main motion has been postponed indefinitely, it is not pending. That is true if the motion has been postponed indefinitely by either a subsidiary motion or as part of an incidental main motion. 2. A motion to reconsider can only be made against a motion that has been disposed, in general. 3. Specifically, if a motion to Postpone Indefinitely is rejected, it is not subject to reconsideration. If it is adopted, it is not pending. I'm trying to understand what the bone of contention is in this. I am failing to at this point.

Please quote the term of office from the bylaws exactly.

For most main motions, the motion was adopted. There are a few situations where some greater vote is needed.

Nothing pending: "Mr President, I move that any consideration of holding an October hay ride be postponed indefinitely." The only advantage I can see is preventing future discussion of it during the session.

Yes, it is, though it is quite rare. Postpone Indefinitely can be raised as an incidental main motion (p. 66, ll. 17-23).

A member may request that something be entered in the minutes; the assembly is able to grant request. That is a simple matter of granting that request. RONR does note that items not normally included in the minutes, seconds, committee remorts, may be entered into the minutes (p. 471).

The sole suggestion is that the member may raise a question of privilege at the next meeting and request that he be permitted to include a statement, in the current minutes, that he voted in error on the motion in question. He would be basically be saying, "I voted this way, but I didn't intend to vote this way. It is too late to change the vote. It might also be possible to move to rescind the prior motion, though that is fairly time consuming.

It depends how many special rules are adopted. A very good example is the US House. They have a parliamentary authority, Jefferson's Manual. However, Jefferson's Manual has been largely superseded by rules adopted by the House. A society, by adopting numerous special rules may, effectively, supersede all most all of its parliamentary authority. It is generally impractical to do so, but it is permissible.

The could supercede almost all rules in RONR by means of a special rule.