Hieu H. Huynh

Your organization could put whatever it wants in its bylaws, subject to any relevant laws.

Your organization could put whatever it wants in its bylaws.

4 minutes ago, Guest Sally said:

may we make a general motion to change A to B throughout the bylaws?

Yes. See "Conforming Amendments" in RONR 11th ed., pp. 273-274.

OK. I know this is crazy:

What about a rule "to never bring something up again and this rule cannot be suspended or rescinded or amended nor have a bylaws amendment proposed on it"?

Also see p. 405, ll. 8-14.

Vote again (see RONR 11th ed., p. 441).

Ultimately it is up to your organization to interpret your bylaws. Generally, you would announce the results of the vote and vote again if necessary.

The vice president automatically becomes president.

If they're in the bylaws, those rules would control. But if they're not, and with this adopted special rule of order, could the matter even be introduced in the form of a proposed bylaws amendment?

No rule in RONR prohibits it.

It appears your organization has rules which supersede the disciplinary procedures described in RONR. Ultimately it is up to your organization to interpret those rules.

On 11/18/2016 at 4:13 PM, Hieu H. Huynh said:

So a rule could be adopted "to never bring something up again and this rule cannot be suspended or rescinded or amended". I can see how that may not be a good idea.

If this rule was adopted, would it also prevent amending the bylaws to address the matter?

It's a special rule of order which supersedes the rules in RONR that allow for suspension, rescission, or amendment of a special rule of order.

6 hours ago, Guest Scott p said:

Unfortunately, our club is facing a possible disciplinary hearing from charges a member filed against one of our board members. 

Do your rules allow a member to file charges against another member?

2 hours ago, Guest S F Ho said:

Our CBL also provides for proceedings to be conducted in accordance with Roberts Rules of Order but I am unable to find the answers in RONR, hence I am writing to seek help and advice.

See "Disciplinary Procedures" in RONR 11th ed., starting on p. 643.

1 hour ago, Gary Novosielski said:

On 11/17/2016 at 4:56 PM, Guest Ritakenny said:

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No rule in RONR prohibits it.

What if J is making offensive personal references when speaking at the meeting (see RONR 11th ed., p. 647)?

So a rule could be adopted "to never bring something up again and this rule cannot be suspended or rescinded or amended". I can see how that may not be a good idea.

20 minutes ago, Shmuel Gerber said:

Or the rule of order itself would have to be rescinded, which would also require a two-thirds vote, a majority vote with previous notice, or the vote of a majority of the entire membership.

Why wouldn't rescinding this rule require a two-thirds vote with previous notice or a vote of a majority of the entire membership?

Yes, although I would think that you need someone who is willing to do the duties of the treasurer.

8 minutes ago, Guest Toby said:

Also, while the motion was being voted on, there was a movement to rescind the resignation motion. That is not allowed while a vote is underway, correct?

Yes, the vote could not be interrupted in such a manner.

6 minutes ago, Guest Toby said:

Our club received an email from a board member indicating they have resigned from the board. A motion has been made and a second to accept the resignation. The voting to accept the resignation has failed. Does that board member remain a board member in name, even though they will no longer attend meetings, nor participate in voting?

Yes. Why wasn't the resignation accepted?

Generally, the assembly could discharge the committee and take up the matter itself (see RONR 11th ed., pp. 658-659 footnote).

I think the new motion should be handled as a motion to rescind or amend the previously adopted motion. If adopted, the new motion would be in effect. I think it is appropriate for the chair to handle it this way if that is the intent of the new motion.

An adopted motion could be rescinded or amended using the motion to Rescind or Amend Something Previously Adopted. This motion requires a two-thirds vote, a majority vote with previous notice, or a vote of a majority of the entire membership.

RONR does not require signing the bylaws.