Guest Sharon Posted October 14, 2011 at 03:38 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 at 03:38 PM Our Nominating Committee was unable to get nominees for office to accept. If no one runs from the floor for the open positions, what are the recourses? Are the current office holders obligated to remain in office until such time that members decide to seek those positions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted October 14, 2011 at 03:46 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 at 03:46 PM Are the current office holders obligated to remain in office until such time that members decide to seek those positions?It depends on how your bylaws define the terms of office. They might serve "until their successors are elected" or you might find yourselves without officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted October 14, 2011 at 05:47 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 at 05:47 PM Our Nominating Committee was unable to get nominees for office to accept. If no one runs from the floor for the open positions, what are the recourses? Are the current office holders obligated to remain in office until such time that members decide to seek those positions?If all else fails, nominate yourself for every office. Maybe that will light a fire under other members to get involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted October 14, 2011 at 06:47 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 at 06:47 PM If all else fails, nominate yourself for every office. Maybe that will light a fire under other members to get involved.Or else everyone will breath a sigh of relief and let Sharon do it all.The story of The Little Red Hen always comes to mind in these situations.Cue Mr. Stackpole:Announce that because of a lack of leadership interest, the organization will dissolve itself and go out of business. Really. Organizations don't last forever, and it is much better to close up shop formally than just drift along, and then wonder what happened to the bank account, far too long after the fact to do anything about it.Often enough a threat like this one will shake some people out of the woodwork who will be willing to serve after all. But if it doesn't, there is a message there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted October 14, 2011 at 06:51 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 at 06:51 PM Or else everyone will breath a sigh of relief and let Sharon do it all.Of course that should be "breathe".[i'd like to say it's getting easier to decipher the CAPTCHA codes. I'd like to, but I can't.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted October 14, 2011 at 07:27 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 at 07:27 PM Of course that should be "breathe".[i'd like to say it's getting easier to decipher the CAPTCHA codes. I'd like to, but I can't.]Become a member. We would like to have you, it's free, and it makes life a lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trent Johnson Posted October 14, 2011 at 07:36 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 at 07:36 PM Become a member.Or just log in and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted October 14, 2011 at 07:38 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 at 07:38 PM Become a member. We would like to have you, it's free, and it makes life a lot easier. There's some chatter and suspicion that "Edgar" may already be a member under a different name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted October 14, 2011 at 11:27 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 at 11:27 PM The election should proceed when it is scheduled. Blank ballots should be distributed, and members should indicate their choice by writing in the person's name. Multiple rounds of balloting are likely to be required to complete the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caroline Posted October 17, 2011 at 09:40 PM Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 at 09:40 PM I have an election of officers question - My organization of about 200 just had elections. Our Bylaws say that an officer cannot serve more than two terms. No one offered to run for Treasurer so the ballots went out with a blank for that office. We got back 85 completed and valid ballots and there were 23 write in votes. 20 for the current Treasurer who has served two terms and cannot serve another consecutive term. On write in vote who does not want to serve, one write in vote for an ineligible candidate (not a member) and one vote for a member who has agreed to serve. Does the person with the one vote win the election?At our next Annual Business Meeting we planned to vote on a Bylaw amendment that would help us with this problem in the future: No officer, whether elected or appointed, shall serve more than two consecutive terms in the same office, unless there is no candidate to replace the officer and the current officer agrees to serve for another term or until their successor is elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dglynch Posted October 17, 2011 at 09:43 PM Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 at 09:43 PM No.The 21 votes are illegal and the other two are way too small to elect. Since no one won the election, it needs to be repeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caroline Posted October 17, 2011 at 09:59 PM Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 at 09:59 PM No.The 21 votes are illegal and the other two are way too small to elect. Since no one won the election, it needs to be repeated.How many votes are needed to elect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dglynch Posted October 17, 2011 at 10:02 PM Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 at 10:02 PM How many votes are needed to elect?With 23 ballots cast, a majority would be 12, and so no one can be elected with fewer than 12 votes. The fact that some of the votes are for illegal candidates does not reduce this number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dglynch Posted October 17, 2011 at 10:04 PM Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 at 10:04 PM (The 62 ballots that were left blank do not count at all.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted October 17, 2011 at 10:22 PM Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 at 10:22 PM How many votes are needed to elect?With 23 ballots cast, a majority would be 12, and so no one can be elected with fewer than 12 votes. The fact that some of the votes are for illegal candidates does not reduce this number.In hopes of clearing the mud for Caroline just a wee bit, votes for ineligible persons (term-expired officers, non-members, etc) are "illegal" votes and yet they are still counted toward the total of votes cast. They just aren't awarded to any candidate. So they kind of "spoil" the pool, if you will. Of the 23 votes cast, a majority (at least 12) would need to be received by an eligible candidate to win the election. You don't just throw out those 21 illegal votes. So, you have an incomplete election for Treasurer and need to vote again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lisa Hill Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:49 AM Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:49 AM is an officer allowed to be in two organizations at a time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:52 AM Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:52 AM is an officer allowed to be in two organizations at a time?No rule in RONR would prohibit it. You might want to check the rules of each organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:53 AM Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:53 AM is an officer allowed to be in two organizations at a time?Sure.But please ask each new question in a new Topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lisa Hill Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:59 AM Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:59 AM No rule in RONR would prohibit it. You might want to check the rules of each organization.we have members that says its against Roberts rule of order to be a treasure in our fire company and be a member of another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:06 AM Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:06 AM we have members that says its against Roberts rule of order to be a treasure in our fire company and be a member of anotherRobert's Rules of Order has absolutely nothing to say about fire companies. Ask those members to show you where it says what they say it says. They won't be able to. Odds are they don't even have a copy of the book and may never have even seen a copy of the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:08 AM Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:08 AM we have members that says its against Roberts rule of order to be a treasure in our fire company and be a member of anotherI am a treasure in several organizations, if I say so myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lisa Hill Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:20 AM Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:20 AM we have by-laws and it says nowhere in them that they cant be an officer of two organizations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lisa Hill Posted October 19, 2011 at 12:32 PM Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 at 12:32 PM we have by-laws and it says nowhere in them that they cant be an officer in one organization and a member in another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:57 PM Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:57 PM we have members that says its against Roberts rule of order to be a treasure in our fire company and be a member of anotherI say it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 20, 2011 at 01:53 AM Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 at 01:53 AM we have by-laws and it says nowhere in them that they cant be an officer in one organization and a member in anotherWell, if there's no rule against it in your bylaws, and we know there's no rule against it in RONR, then it sounds like it's allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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