Leo Posted July 15, 2012 at 08:19 PM Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 at 08:19 PM According to the bylaws, members of the board are delegates to the annual convention, along with other delegates representing their constituent units. Also according to the bylaws, a submitted resolution is approved by the board and presented at the convention, on behalf of the board, for adoption. Can a member of the board, being delegate, debate against the motion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted July 15, 2012 at 08:27 PM Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 at 08:27 PM Sure, unless he was given the task of formally making the motion to the annual convention.Remember, at the convention "The Board" isn't present, only members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g40 Posted July 15, 2012 at 08:42 PM Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 at 08:42 PM I think (OP can clarify) I interpret this differently. I think "Board members" refrs to the members of the Board of the member institutiuons, not the Board of the association meeting. So, for example, if this was the National Convention of the Raccoon Loges of the US and each Local Raccoon Lodge sent delegates to the annual convention and those delegates were board members of the local lodges, what would be the contraints on these board members of the local Raccoon Lodges?Perhaps Leo can clarify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted July 15, 2012 at 08:52 PM Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 at 08:52 PM . . . what would be the contraints on these board members of the local Raccoon Lodges?Perhaps Leo can clarify.There would be no constraints on their rights as members of (i.e. delegates to) the national convention simply because they happened to also be members of the board of their respective local lodges. What matters is that they're members of the body that is meeting (i.e. the convention). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted July 15, 2012 at 09:32 PM Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 at 09:32 PM According to the bylaws, members of the board are delegates to the annual convention, along with other delegates representing their constituent units. Also according to the bylaws, a submitted resolution is approved by the board and presented at the convention, on behalf of the board, for adoption. Can a member of the board, being delegate, debate against the motion?Take a look at page 606, lines 15-30, to see if you think that what is said there may apply to your situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted July 16, 2012 at 10:42 AM Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 at 10:42 AM I think (OP can clarify) I interpret this differently. I think "Board members" refrs to the members of the Board of the member institutiuons, not the Board of the association meeting. So, for example, if this was the National Convention of the Raccoon Loges of the US and each Local Raccoon Lodge sent delegates to the annual convention and those delegates were board members of the local lodges, what would be the contraints on these board members of the local Raccoon Lodges?In this case the delegates are members of the national board of the Raccoon Lodges of the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted July 16, 2012 at 10:48 AM Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 at 10:48 AM I believe page 606, lines 15 - 30. answers the question. The board at its meeting prior to the convention could adopt a motion with the appropriate wording indicating the members of the board shall support the motion in debate on the floor at the convention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted July 16, 2012 at 11:43 AM Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 at 11:43 AM I believe page 606, lines 15 - 30. answers the question. The board at its meeting prior to the convention could adopt a motion with the appropriate wording indicating the members of the board shall support the motion in debate on the floor at the convention.Well, the question as to whether or not a board can give instructions to delegates depends upon whether or not the board is the "constituent society or unit" being represented by those delegates (or is properly acting in behalf of such constituent society or unit pursuant to its authority). Only the entity being represented by a delegation can give instructions to that delegation. Based solely upon what has been posted so far, I'm not sure if this is the case, but you're the guy with the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted July 16, 2012 at 02:19 PM Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 at 02:19 PM The board at its meeting prior to the convention could adopt a motion with the appropriate wording indicating the members of the board shall support the motion in debate on the floor at the convention.But that fact was not part of the question you originally posed:Can a member of the board, being delegate, debate against the motion?You said nothing to indicate that the delegates were under any direction at all and, barring such direction, they would be free speak in debate, or not, as they chose. Just as we send delegates to Congress.Answers to questions are always subject to change as additional facts are revealed. Or made up.And to the specific question of directing a delegate to support a motion in debate, I'm not sure how enforceable that would be. How enthusiastic would you expect his support to be? Is it enough for him to simply rise and, in an emotionless monotone, say, "I've been instructed to support the adoption of this motion"?Directing a delegate to vote a certain way is a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted July 18, 2012 at 03:06 PM Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 at 03:06 PM Well, the question as to whether or not a board can give instructions to delegates depends upon whether or not the board is the "constituent society or unit" being represented by those delegates (or is properly acting in behalf of such constituent society or unit pursuant to its authority). Only the entity being represented by a delegation can give instructions to that delegation. Based solely upon what has been posted so far, I'm not sure if this is the case, but you're the guy with the facts.Dan's most recent posting points out something I overlooked. Although members of the board are delegates to the convention, the local constituent units are the only units represented by the delegates. There is no bylaw indicating the board of directors is represented by any delegates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted July 18, 2012 at 03:17 PM Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 at 03:17 PM I'm not sure if this is the case, but you're the guy with the facts.And here I am thinking you're the one proposing this scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted July 18, 2012 at 03:33 PM Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 at 03:33 PM And here I am thinking you're the one proposing this scenario.That first paragraph of Leo's was quoting me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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