ckm Posted November 11, 2012 at 04:27 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 04:27 PM Language should be included to allow those with limited mobility and or communication limitations (sight, speech or hearing) to be recognized by means other than standing or raising of hands. This may be accomplished by recognizing a proxy participant (companion or designated person) or medically approved communication technology. Use of alternate communication techniques should be recognized at the call to order and noted in meeting minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted November 11, 2012 at 04:37 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 04:37 PM ...And nothing in RONR would prevent this from happening. The organization just needs to amend their bylaws and insert language to provide for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trina Posted November 11, 2012 at 05:02 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 05:02 PM Language should be included to allow those with limited mobility and or communication limitations (sight, speech or hearing) to be recognized by means other than standing or raising of hands. This may be accomplished by recognizing a proxy participant (companion or designated person) or medically approved communication technology. Use of alternate communication techniques should be recognized at the call to order and noted in meeting minutes.Do you have a question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted November 11, 2012 at 05:13 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 05:13 PM Do you have a question?I suspect it's "Why isn't language included in RONR to allow those with limited mobility and or communication limitations (sight, speech or hearing) to be recognized by means other than standing or raising of hands?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMargaret Posted November 11, 2012 at 06:37 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 06:37 PM Or perhaps, "Can the next revision contain suggested bylaw language for ensuring that all members, including those with limited mobility and communication limitations, to be recognized by means other than by standing or raising of hands, as implementing these changes only when there is a person who has a mobility or communication challenge who brings forward an issue, in some manner, may not be in the organization's best interests"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted November 11, 2012 at 07:29 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 07:29 PM Language should be included to allow those with limited mobility and or communication limitations (sight, speech or hearing) to be recognized by means other than standing or raising of hands. This may be accomplished by recognizing a proxy participant (companion or designated person) or medically approved communication technology. Use of alternate communication techniques should be recognized at the call to order and noted in meeting minutes.RONR leaves it up to individual organizations to develop their own rules on such subjects, since the needs of each organization and its members will vary....And nothing in RONR would prevent this from happening. The organization just needs to amend their bylaws and insert language to provide for this.I agree, but I would add that special rules of order or standing rules (or a question of privilege, to handle issues on a case by case basis) will suffice so long as the member is physically present. Bylaw amendments are only necessary for methods of absentee participation (proxies, teleconferences, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted November 11, 2012 at 08:38 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 08:38 PM Language should be included to allow those with limited mobility and or communication limitations (sight, speech or hearing) to be recognized by means other than standing or raising of hands. This may be accomplished by recognizing a proxy participant (companion or designated person) or medically approved communication technology. Use of alternate communication techniques should be recognized at the call to order and noted in meeting minutes.No reasonable chair with a decent knowledge of RONR would be limited in his ability to ensure the opportunity for full participation of members who cannot stand or raise a hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMargaret Posted November 11, 2012 at 08:55 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 08:55 PM No reasonable chair with a decent knowledge of RONR...What percentage of meetings would this represent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted November 11, 2012 at 08:58 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 08:58 PM What percentage of meetings would this represent?One hundred percent of those in which the chair is seated next to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted November 11, 2012 at 09:09 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 09:09 PM No reasonable chair with a decent knowledge of RONR would be limited in his ability to ensure the opportunity for full participation of members who cannot stand or raise a hand.It's not that they can't stand or raise a hand, it's that they can't see, hear, and/or speak.I see no reason why the 12th edition can't spend a few lines on this, even if it's just a footnote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted November 11, 2012 at 09:23 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 09:23 PM It's not that they can't stand or raise a hand, it's that they can't see, hear, and/or speak.I see no reason why the 12th edition can't spend a few lines on this, even if it's just a footnote.Certainly, section 19 already contains any necessary few lines. And any organization that will overlook the needs of one of its members will undoubtedly overlook any additions to the 12th. In other words, if the pages of the 11th can't help an organization accommodate its members, a few more lines in the 12th are not likely to offer much assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted November 11, 2012 at 09:30 PM Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 at 09:30 PM It's not that they can't stand or raise a hand, it's that they can't see, hear, and/or speak.I see no reason why the 12th edition can't spend a few lines on this, even if it's just a footnote.Maybe the text of p. 449, ll. 12-14 should just be underlined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted November 12, 2012 at 12:37 AM Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 at 12:37 AM Maybe the text of p. 449, ll. 12-14 should just be underlined. It's already referred to in large, boldface type. See p. vii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted November 12, 2012 at 04:10 AM Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 at 04:10 AM It's not that they can't stand or raise a hand, it's that they can't see, hear, and/or speak.I see no reason why the 12th edition can't spend a few lines on this, even if it's just a footnote.I think credit should be given for the fact that some progress has already been made in this area in the 11th edition. The radical new footnote on page 24 brings us into the 18th century at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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