Reconsider

[D.Llama]

A motion to reconsider is made the same day, respecting a carried motion- that was debatable ( a  main motion ) .A motion to reconsider is said to be debatable . Is there any limitation on that debate  respecting reconsider , or may it enter into all aspects, as to  the merits of the main motion ? If the motion to reconsider is carried then the main motion again is  apparently open for full  debate on the merits . If this is at all accurate  (?) - it  suggests a repetition  in  the scope of debate- that being ,open in both instances on the merits . Is this correct ? 

[George Mervosh]

1) It can enter into all aspects of the question proposed to be reconsidered.  (RONR,. p. 322)

2) Yes, that's correct.

[D.Llama]

Thanks  George :

If, when debate is open on the first occasion ( reconsider ) a member speaks on the merits in favour ( from a written script ) , and the Special rules require  that a member may speak only one time on a proposal - if that member seeks to speak after the motion to consider has been carried ( to make  the very same  speech ( same written  script )   on the main motion ) , may the Chair  disallow that debate  as  a member may only speak on one  occasion  per proposal ? In the alternative may the Chair disallow that second debate  based on "irrelevance"  given that  members of the assembly  have already heard the very same speech- some minutes  before ? 

[George Mervosh]

13 minutes ago, D.Llama said:

Thanks  George :

If, when debate is open on the first occasion ( reconsider ) a member speaks on the merits in favour ( from a written script ) , and the Special rules require  that a member may speak only one time on a proposal - if that member seeks to speak after the motion to consider has been carried ( to make  the very same  speech ( same written  script )   on the main motion ) , may the Chair  disallow that debate  as  a member may only speak on one  occasion  per proposal ? In the alternative may the Chair disallow that second debate  based on "irrelevance"  given that  members of the assembly  have already heard the very same speech- some minutes  before ? 

If the first time he spoke (see pp. 298-299 about reading from a paper) is during debate on whether the motion should be reconsidered, the rules in RONR would not prohibit him from making the same speech, in essence, during the actual reconsideration.   If the first time he spoke on the matter was during debate after the main motion was first made and he exhausted his rights to debate then, he can speak again during debate on whether the motion should be reconsidered, but not a third time if the motion to reconsider is adopted.  See RONR (11th ed. ), pp. 324-325

[Guest]

Thanks George :

And now may I ask a slightly different question .After a main motion is out for debate- member "A" speaks twice in debate  on that matter . A motion to amend is then made by member "B" ,and defeated .The Chair then calls for any further debate on the main  motion .Is member "A"  then permitted a further chance to debate-  even though he/she has already spoken twice in debate on that main motion  ? .

[George Mervosh]

40 minutes ago, Guest said:

Thanks George :

And now may I ask a slightly different question .After a main motion is out for debate- member "A" speaks twice in debate  on that matter . A motion to amend is then made by member "B" ,and defeated .The Chair then calls for any further debate on the main  motion .Is member "A"  then permitted a further chance to debate-  even though he/she has already spoken twice in debate on that main motion  ? .

He can no longer speak in debate on the main motion, no. RONR (11th ed.), pp. 388-389.   Is this a test?   Did I pass?

[Guest]

A +  thank-you .

[Thomas Ralph]

On 14 March 2016 at 4:11 PM, D.Llama said:

Thanks  George :

If, when debate is open on the first occasion ( reconsider ) a member speaks on the merits in favour ( from a written script ) , and the Special rules require  that a member may speak only one time on a proposal - if that member seeks to speak after the motion to consider has been carried ( to make  the very same  speech ( same written  script )   on the main motion ) , may the Chair  disallow that debate  as  a member may only speak on one  occasion  per proposal ? In the alternative may the Chair disallow that second debate  based on "irrelevance"  given that  members of the assembly  have already heard the very same speech- some minutes  before ? 

Members may not read from scripts without obtaining permission of the assembly. Even with that permission, I would not hesitate to rule out of order as dilatory an attempt to repeat verbatim on a main motion a speech previously made in the recent past on a motion to reconsider that motion, unless there was good reason such as a number of members arriving in between the two.