Jenn Posted July 4, 2017 at 01:13 AM Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 at 01:13 AM I have been ready RONR and I am still unclear on "renewals". Plainly speaking when are renewals applicable since a motion that has been disposed of cannot be brought back up before the assembly unless materially changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hieu H. Huynh Posted July 4, 2017 at 01:22 AM Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 at 01:22 AM A defeated motion could be renewed at a later meeting. It could not be renewed at the same meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Goldsworthy Posted July 4, 2017 at 08:05 AM Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 at 08:05 AM 6 hours ago, Jenn said: I have been reading RONR and I am still unclear on "renewals". Q [...] when are renewals applicable since a motion that has been disposed of cannot be brought back up before the assembly unless materially changed? Q. Have you read "To Reconsider"? Q. Have you read "To Suspend the Rules"? Q. Have you read "To Amend Something Previously Adopted"? There are at least two tools, and maybe three tools, which could be available at any given time, to re-entertain that which has been settled. Add to that, certain incidental motions, which sometimes can be renewed by sheer passage of time (and passage of business). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenn Posted July 4, 2017 at 01:51 PM Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 at 01:51 PM So, renewals are applied to defeated motions, rather than reconsideration of motions adopted? Yes, I have had the opportunity to read Reconsinder-reconsidering something previously adopted and motioned by a member of the prevailing side. Suspend the Rules-2/3 vote in the affirmative Amemd Something Previously Adopted-2/3 vote to change and action with certain stipulations. Sometimes the writing in RONR is combersome and it is easy to lose the intent of the message when the subject matter is unfamiliar. I just want to confirm that renewals ((38) relate to lost motions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hieu H. Huynh Posted July 4, 2017 at 02:10 PM Report Share Posted July 4, 2017 at 02:10 PM Yes. Perhaps the In Brief book may be of use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted July 6, 2017 at 11:56 PM Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 at 11:56 PM On 7/4/2017 at 9:51 AM, Jenn said: So, renewals are applied to defeated motions, rather than reconsideration of motions adopted? . . . Sometimes the writing in RONR is combersome and it is easy to lose the intent of the message when the subject matter is unfamiliar. I just want to confirm that renewals ((38) relate to lost motions. Yes, to lost motions -- and also killed motions (via Postpone Indefinitely or Objection to Consideration), but not motions that are withdrawn or that die for lack of being seconded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setemu Posted March 16, 2018 at 02:48 PM Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 at 02:48 PM (edited) On 7/6/2017 at 7:56 PM, Shmuel Gerber said: Yes, to lost motions -- and also killed motions (via Postpone Indefinitely or Objection to Consideration), but not motions that are withdrawn or that die for lack of being seconded. Am I correct to assume that in a permanent society that goes through an established order of business, a motion killed at one meeting can be renewed with the same exact working at the meeting immediately following (c.f. p. 83, lines 25-30; p.336, lines 6-9). Edited March 16, 2018 at 02:50 PM by Setemu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted March 16, 2018 at 02:56 PM Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 at 02:56 PM (edited) 12 minutes ago, Setemu said: Am I correct to assume that in a permanent society that goes through an established order of business, a motion killed at one meeting can be renewed with the same exact working at the meeting immediately following (c.f. p. 83, lines 25-30; p.336, lines 6-9). Yes, provided that the meeting immediately following constitutes a new session, or a part of a new session. Edited March 16, 2018 at 03:02 PM by Daniel H. Honemann Added the last phrase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted March 16, 2018 at 02:57 PM Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 at 02:57 PM (edited) 13 minutes ago, Setemu said: Am I correct to assume that in a permanent society that goes through an established order of business, a motion killed at one meeting can be renewed with the same exact working at the meeting immediately following (c.f. p. 83, lines 25-30; p.336, lines 6-9). Yes, that is correct, if the next meeting is a different session. In the case of a society with regular monthly meetings, each meeting is normally a separate session. Edited March 16, 2018 at 03:03 PM by Richard Brown Added everything after the first four words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setemu Posted March 16, 2018 at 03:23 PM Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 at 03:23 PM Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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