Guest Angel Posted July 27, 2019 at 05:55 PM Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 at 05:55 PM Which language is better for a social club? "Officers shall hold their office for one term OR until their successor is elected"... or... "Officers shall hold their office for one term AND until their successor is elected." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hieu H. Huynh Posted July 27, 2019 at 07:15 PM Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 at 07:15 PM That is up to your organization to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Angel Posted July 27, 2019 at 08:18 PM Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 at 08:18 PM Thank you... But based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hieu H. Huynh Posted July 27, 2019 at 08:21 PM Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 at 08:21 PM Removing officers (see FAQ #20). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Angel Posted July 27, 2019 at 08:22 PM Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 at 08:22 PM 1 hour ago, Hieu H. Huynh said: That is up to your organization to decide. Thank you... But based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zev Posted July 27, 2019 at 09:16 PM Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 at 09:16 PM This book does not suggest which option is best. This is a value judgment the members of your society must make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lages Posted July 28, 2019 at 07:05 PM Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 at 07:05 PM Guest Angel - it's hard to say that one is better than the other, but your organization should be aware of the important differences between the two wordings in situations involving removal of officers. The wording "for one term and until their successors are elected" will result in the necessity of formal disciplinary procedures for the removal of an officer before his or her term is over. In this case, you can't just vote an officer out of office since the wording guarantees one term unless you invoke those disciplinary procedures. RONR has an entire chapter devoted to such procedures (11th ed., chapter 20), which are purposely somewhat cumbersome - in order to protect both the accused's and the organization's rights. If your bylaws prescribe your own disciplinary procedures, you would need to follow those. In contrast, the wording "for one term or until their successors are elected" allows for removal before a term is completed by a vote of the membership - a majority vote with prior notice, or a 2/3 vote or a vote of a majority of the entire membership without notice. Clearly this wording provides a simpler method for removal of an officer before a term has expired. If you want to read RONR's own discussion of this it's on p.653 - 654. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Angel Posted July 30, 2019 at 01:41 PM Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 at 01:41 PM On 7/28/2019 at 2:05 PM, Bruce Lages said: Guest Angel - it's hard to say that one is better than the other, but your organization should be aware of the important differences between the two wordings in situations involving removal of officers. The wording "for one term and until their successors are elected" will result in the necessity of formal disciplinary procedures for the removal of an officer before his or her term is over. In this case, you can't just vote an officer out of office since the wording guarantees one term unless you invoke those disciplinary procedures. RONR has an entire chapter devoted to such procedures (11th ed., chapter 20), which are purposely somewhat cumbersome - in order to protect both the accused's and the organization's rights. If your bylaws prescribe your own disciplinary procedures, you would need to follow those. In contrast, the wording "for one term or until their successors are elected" allows for removal before a term is completed by a vote of the membership - a majority vote with prior notice, or a 2/3 vote or a vote of a majority of the entire membership without notice. Clearly this wording provides a simpler method for removal of an officer before a term has expired. If you want to read RONR's own discussion of this it's on p.653 - 654. Thank you, this was very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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