parliamentarian role in voting

[Guest guest]

If you are a member of an organization and also serves as the parliamentarian in that organization, what are the voting rights of the parliamentarian?  Can the parliamentarian vote openly in Executive Board meetings (although not participating in debate)?  Can the parliamentarian vote openly in general assembly meetings (although not participating in debate)?  Or can the parliamentarian only vote in ballot votes in both Executive Board and general assembly meetings?  

[George Mervosh]

7 minutes ago, Guest guest said:

If you are a member of an organization and also serves as the parliamentarian in that organization, what are the voting rights of the parliamentarian?  Can the parliamentarian vote openly in Executive Board meetings (although not participating in debate)?  Can the parliamentarian vote openly in general assembly meetings (although not participating in debate)?  Or can the parliamentarian only vote in ballot votes in both Executive Board and general assembly meetings?  

If you are serving as parliamentarian for the board meetings and membership meetings, this rule applies to both:

"A member of an assembly who acts as its parliamentarian has the same duty as the presiding officer to maintain a position of impartiality, and therefore does not make motions, participate in debate, or vote on any question except in the case of a ballot vote. He does not cast a deciding vote, even if his vote would affect the result, since that would interfere with the chair's prerogative of doing so. If a member feels that he cannot properly forgo these rights in order to serve as parliamentarian, he should not accept that position. Unlike the presiding officer, the parliamentarian cannot temporarily relinquish his position in order to exercise such rights on a particular motion. "  RONR (11th ed.), p. 467

Edited July 13, 2020 at 05:36 PM by George Mervosh

[Guest guest]

thank you

[Richard Brown]

34 minutes ago, Guest guest said:

If you are a member of an organization and also serves as the parliamentarian in that organization, what are the voting rights of the parliamentarian?  Can the parliamentarian vote openly in Executive Board meetings (although not participating in debate)?  Can the parliamentarian vote openly in general assembly meetings (although not participating in debate)?  Or can the parliamentarian only vote in ballot votes in both Executive Board and general assembly meetings?  

The question is about the voting RIGHTS of a member parliamentarian.

I agree with the citation quoted by Mr. Mervosh, but feel compelled to point out that the provision quoted from RONR is more in the nature of a should rule then a must rule. If the parliamentarian is a member of the society, he does have the right to participate and to vote just as fully as any other member, although he should give up that right if he is serving as the society’s  parliamentarian.  The right of a member to vote is a fundamental principle of parliamentary law which RONR does not take away.

See for example page 407 lines 1 through 4 of the 11th edition of RONR

[George Mervosh]

15 minutes ago, Richard Brown said:

The question is about the voting RIGHTS of a member parliamentarian.

I agree with the citation quoted by Mr. Mervosh, but feel compelled to point out that the provision quoted from RONR is more in the nature of a should rule then a must rule. If the parliamentarian is a member of the society, he does have the right to participate and to vote just as fully as any other member, although he should give up that right if he is serving as the society’s  parliamentarian.  The right of a member to vote is a fundamental principle of parliamentary law which RONR does not take away.

See for example page 407 lines 1 through 4 of the 11th edition of RONR

Yes, the cited passage in post 2 mentions that they are rights.