Guest Eric Posted August 30, 2021 at 09:02 PM Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 at 09:02 PM Our board had a special meeting to discuss and vote on a contentious matter, many of public were there to comment and a few board members were against the matter from the start. A motion was made in favor and ended up passing 4 to 3. Can this motion be overturned at a next meeting by basically a board member making the opposite motion or similar to opposite? My thought would be that the motion made and passed at previous meeting would need to be rescinded by one of members who voted in favor. Trying to figure how roberts rules would keep this from going back and fourth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted August 30, 2021 at 09:06 PM Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 at 09:06 PM On 8/30/2021 at 5:02 PM, Guest Eric said: Our board had a special meeting to discuss and vote on a contentious matter, many of public were there to comment and a few board members were against the matter from the start. A motion was made in favor and ended up passing 4 to 3. Can this motion be overturned at a next meeting by basically a board member making the opposite motion or similar to opposite? My thought would be that the motion made and passed at previous meeting would need to be rescinded by one of members who voted in favor. Trying to figure how roberts rules would keep this from going back and fourth. If the motion is still applicable, any board member may move to rescind or amend it at a subsequent session of the board no matter if or how they voted originally. See RONR (12th ed.), §35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted August 30, 2021 at 09:12 PM Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 at 09:12 PM On 8/30/2021 at 5:06 PM, George Mervosh said: If the motion is still applicable, any board member may move to rescind or amend it at a subsequent session of the board no matter if or how they voted originally. See RONR (12th ed.), §35 Still applicable? 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted August 30, 2021 at 10:01 PM Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 at 10:01 PM On 8/30/2021 at 4:02 PM, Guest Eric said: Can this motion be overturned at a next meeting by basically a board member making the opposite motion or similar to opposite? Not exactly, but the member may accomplish a similar objective by making a motion to Rescind or Amend something Previously Adopted. On 8/30/2021 at 4:02 PM, Guest Eric said: My thought would be that the motion made and passed at previous meeting would need to be rescinded by one of members who voted in favor. Any member may make a motion to Rescind or Amend Something Previously Adopted. On 8/30/2021 at 4:02 PM, Guest Eric said: Trying to figure how roberts rules would keep this from going back and fourth. RONR requires a higher vote (or previous notice) for a motion to Rescind or Amend Something Previously Adopted, which is intended to address the concern of keeping things from going back and forth. Specifically, the motion requires any of the following for adoption: a) a 2/3 vote b) a vote of a majority of the entire membership (of the board, in this case) c) a majority vote with previous notice Unless the organization's rules provide otherwise, previous notice may be provided orally at the previous regular meeting (if the next meeting is within a quarterly interval), or written notice may be sent to the secretary to include in the call of the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted August 30, 2021 at 10:54 PM Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 at 10:54 PM Could you explain how it would still be applicable? For more context we are a small school board which also uses Roberts rules for small boards. Which i'm trying to also find buy a pdf of RONR that I can download now. Thank you everyone for your help on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atul Kapur Posted August 30, 2021 at 11:09 PM Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 at 11:09 PM The term RONR uses is "still in force" or effect. If the motion is no longer in force, then there's no need to rescind it. If it is still in force, then the rules for rescind apply. Note that with a small board, that a majority of the board is not as challenging a threshold as it would be with a larger assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted August 31, 2021 at 02:17 AM Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 at 02:17 AM Ok, part of the motion is for the 2021/2022 school year, so I would say that it's still in affect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted August 31, 2021 at 01:50 PM Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 at 01:50 PM So if a board member made a different motion opposite to the one made at a previous meeting, let say it passed because the full board wasn’t present, would the previous motion not be in effect anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldon Merritt Posted August 31, 2021 at 02:27 PM Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 at 02:27 PM On 8/31/2021 at 7:50 AM, Guest Eric said: So if a board member made a different motion opposite to the one made at a previous meeting, let say it passed because the full board wasn’t present, would the previous motion not be in effect anymore? Not quite correct. If a motion conflicts with one previously adopted and still in force, it is null and void, unless it is adopted by the vote required to rescind or amend the previous motion. RONR (12th ed.) 39:5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted August 31, 2021 at 03:01 PM Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 at 03:01 PM "Apart from a motion to Rescind or to Amend Something Previously Adopted (35), no main motion is in order that conflicts with a motion previously adopted at any time and still in force" (RONR, 12th ed., 10:26(4)). If such a motion is made, the chair should rule that it is not in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted August 31, 2021 at 10:36 PM Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 at 10:36 PM On 8/30/2021 at 6:54 PM, Guest Eric said: Could you explain how it would still be applicable? For more context we are a small school board which also uses Roberts rules for small boards. Which i'm trying to also find buy a pdf of RONR that I can download now. Thank you everyone for your help on this. RONR is not available as a pdf, but it is available in Kindle form, as is RONRIB ((Robert's) Rules of Order Newly Revised--In Brief) 3rd ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted September 1, 2021 at 01:25 AM Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 at 01:25 AM Yes I ended up getting a kindle version after finding out there is a kindle reader for PC, thank you for all the comments and help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted September 1, 2021 at 02:31 AM Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 at 02:31 AM On 8/31/2021 at 9:25 PM, Guest Eric said: Yes I ended up getting a kindle version after finding out there is a kindle reader for PC, thank you for all the comments and help. Yes, I use it on my PC as well. Search tip: If you're searching for a particular paragraph like 41:6, leave out the colon and search for 40 6 instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted September 1, 2021 at 04:04 PM Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 at 04:04 PM On 8/31/2021 at 10:31 PM, Gary Novosielski said: Yes, I use it on my PC as well. Search tip: If you're searching for a particular paragraph like 41:6, leave out the colon and search for 40 6 instead. Nice tip, there is so much to there that will be useful, My tip: there is a way convert it PDF that way you can print pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted September 1, 2021 at 08:33 PM Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 at 08:33 PM On 9/1/2021 at 12:04 PM, Guest Eric said: Nice tip, there is so much to there that will be useful, My tip: there is a way convert it PDF that way you can print pages. Rather than print pages, I just reach for my physical copy of RONR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted September 1, 2021 at 10:50 PM Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 at 10:50 PM On 9/1/2021 at 4:33 PM, Gary Novosielski said: Rather than print pages, I just reach for my physical copy of RONR. I would too but, as our old friend Gary Tesser would say, it's way over there under my elbow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted September 5, 2021 at 05:10 AM Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 at 05:10 AM On 9/1/2021 at 6:50 PM, Daniel H. Honemann said: I would too but, as our old friend Gary Tesser would say, it's way over there under my elbow. Mine is a few feet farther than ams length, so I'm not getting out of the recliner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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