Section references

[Katy]

Someone has recommended that I consult §56:50 in RROR. How do I find that in my RROR book, i.e. what is the :50 referring to?

Thank you.

[Bruce Lages]

You need to have RONR, 12th edition; that reference is for Section 56, paragraph 50, which describes the bylaw article that specifies the procedure for amending bylaws.

All of the section:paragraph notations are found in the left-hand margins of the 12th edition pages.

Edited November 7, 2023 at 07:45 PM by Bruce Lages

[Gary Novosielski]

If you have the 12th edition of Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, each paragraph is numbered in the margin like 56:50, which is section 56, paragraph 50.

It should say:

56:50
Article IX: Amendment of Bylaws. The bylaws should
always prescribe the procedure for their amendment, and such
provision should always require at least that advance notice
be given in a specified manner, and that the amendment be
approved by a two-thirds vote. If the bylaws contain no
provision for their amendment, they can be amended by a two-
thirds vote if previous notice (in the sense defined in 10:44)
has been given, or they can be amended by the vote of a
majority of the entire membership. In making a requirement
that notice be given by submitting the amendment at a
meeting in advance of the one at which it is to be considered,
the provision should always specify submission at “the
previous meeting,” and not “a” previous meeting, since the
latter would permit indefinite delay and would defeat the object
of giving notice—namely, to alert the members to the proposed
amendment so that all those interested can arrange to be
present at its consideration. The requirement of notice restricts
amendment of the proposed bylaw amendment to changes
within the scope of the notice, as explained in 57:10–13 (see
also 35:2(6)).

 

Edited November 7, 2023 at 07:50 PM by Gary Novosielski

[Richard Brown]

Earlier editions of Robert’s Rules of order do not use section and paragraph numbers like the 12th edition dies. That’s New in the 12th edition.  Prior editions of RONR were cited by page number and line number.

however, prior additions of RONR, do use essentially the same section numbers, just not paragraph numbers. So if something is in section 56:50 of the 12th edition, it will almost certainly be somewhere in section 56 of the 11th edition and even prior editions

 

Edited November 7, 2023 at 08:15 PM by Richard Brown
Typographical corrections

[Katy]

Thanks, but Section 56 is 20 pages long. Could you please send me the first ten words of §56:50, for example? That way I can figure out where it might be.... I appreciate your help. (I have the 10th edition.)

[Bruce Lages]

In the 10th edition, it is on page 562, starting at line 9 (and it is still Section 56).

[Gary Novosielski]

On 11/7/2023 at 3:18 PM, Katy said:

Thanks, but Section 56 is 20 pages long. Could you please send me the first ten words of §56:50, for example? That way I can figure out where it might be.... I appreciate your help. (I have the 10th edition.)

I have quoted the entirety  of 56:50 above.  Look up.

Edited November 7, 2023 at 08:38 PM by Gary Novosielski
typo

[Atul Kapur]

On 11/7/2023 at 3:29 PM, Gary Novosielski said:

Look up.

Great advice! Can I ask a favour? There's a person on this forum who regularly doesn't read the entire thread before replying to a post made near the beginning of the thread. Do you mind if I quote you when that person does it the next time? 😆

Edited November 7, 2023 at 08:57 PM by Atul Kapur

[Katy]

Thank you!

[Katy]

 

Atul Kapur: "Great advice! Can I ask a favour? There's a person on this forum who regularly doesn't read the entire thread before replying to a post made near the beginning of the thread. Do you mind if I quote you when that person does it the next time? 😆" [I can't figure out how to quote you.]

Very funny. But in my defense, hopefully Mr. Novosielski will confirm that he added the whole text later, maybe?😃

[Richard Brown]

On 11/7/2023 at 3:29 PM, Katy said:

But in my defense, hopefully Mr. Novosielski will confirm that he added the whole text later, maybe?😃

Well, the system shows that he edited his post five minutes after first making it, so . . . . 

Edited to add:  Some of us do as the forum requests and state the nature of our edit and some of us don't . . . .

Edited November 7, 2023 at 09:43 PM by Richard Brown
Added last paragraph

[Atul Kapur]

On 11/7/2023 at 4:29 PM, Katy said:

Very funny. But in my defense

Trust me, @Katy, you weren't the target of that remark.

[Katy]

Oh, OK. 

[Gary Novosielski]

On 11/7/2023 at 3:56 PM, Atul Kapur said:

Great advice! Can I ask a favour? There's a person on this forum who regularly doesn't read the entire thread before replying to a post made near the beginning of the thread. Do you mind if I quote you when that person does it the next time? 😆

If it is that important to you, I would not dream of depriving you of the satisfaction of bringing it to my attention.  In fact I shall endeavour to arrange matters in such a way that you have periodic opportunities to do so.  😜