Call for the question

[Guest Don]

If a call for the question occurs, but a second wasn’t ask for or a 2/3 vote taken and no one called a point of order, the main motion was voted on anyway does that waive the second needed?

[Gary Novosielski]

If the Previous Question is moved, and not seconded, but a vote is taken anyway, then it's too late to raise a point of order about the lack of a second, regardless of the outcome of the vote.

Edited December 23, 2023 at 11:53 PM by Gary Novosielski

[Joshua Katz]

Agreeing with Mr. Novosielski, I'd point out it's not just the lack of a second that's material here, but also the fact that there was no vote on Previous Question. In any event, though, it is too late now to complain, and the result stands.

[Shmuel Gerber]

On 12/23/2023 at 8:00 PM, Joshua Katz said:

In any event, though, it is too late now to complain, and the result stands.

Well, Don and anyone else can complain as little or as much as they want, but the result still stands. 

[Councilman2023]

The call for the question didn’t get a second or a vote but the main motion did I believe is what he’s saying. 

[Weldon Merritt]

On 12/24/2023 at 10:31 AM, Councilman2023 said:

The call for the question didn’t get a second or a vote but the main motion did I believe is what he’s saying. 

That's the way I read it, too. But it's still too late to raise a Point of Order. The result of the vote on the MM stands.

[Councilman2023]

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[Gary Novosielski]

From the description given, whatever happened, the final vote on the main motion was taken, and apparently nobody in the assembly had a problem with it at the time, so at this point it's crying over spilled milk.

Rules do not enforce themselves.  If you notice a rule being broken, it's very often a matter of speak now, or forever hold your peace.   There are a handful of situations where the breach of the rules is a continuing matter, and a point of order can be raised as long as the breach continues, but in a case like this, nobody objected to their rights to debate being cut off, and objection at this point is no longer timely.