Guest Pascal Posted January 11, 2024 at 01:37 PM Report Share Posted January 11, 2024 at 01:37 PM Our City council passed an ordinance to remove the RONR as the rules to conduct meetings. By the ordinance, the RORN will only provide guidance. In this ordinance, it says too that "in no event shall Robert's Rules of Order cause any action of the City council to be null and void or to otherwise supplant any action of the City Council.". Does this mean in your opinion that any decision on ordinance or resolution - passed or voted down - will be final with no recourse. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted January 11, 2024 at 02:17 PM Report Share Posted January 11, 2024 at 02:17 PM This is a legal matter, not a matter of the common parliamentary law. An attorney may be of assistance to help with the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted January 11, 2024 at 04:31 PM Report Share Posted January 11, 2024 at 04:31 PM On 1/11/2024 at 8:37 AM, Guest Pascal said: In this ordinance, it says too that "in no event shall Robert's Rules of Order cause any action of the City council to be null and void or to otherwise supplant any action of the City Council.". Does this mean in your opinion that any decision on ordinance or resolution - passed or voted down - will be final with no recourse. Agreeing with Mr. Elsman, I will add that I fail to see much connection between these two statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted January 11, 2024 at 05:58 PM Report Share Posted January 11, 2024 at 05:58 PM (edited) On 1/11/2024 at 7:37 AM, Guest Pascal said: Our City council passed an ordinance to remove the RONR as the rules to conduct meetings. By the ordinance, the RORN will only provide guidance. Okay. On 1/11/2024 at 7:37 AM, Guest Pascal said: In this ordinance, it says too that "in no event shall Robert's Rules of Order cause any action of the City council to be null and void or to otherwise supplant any action of the City Council.". This seems unnecessary in light of the fact that RONR is no longer the parliamentary authority and is used only as “guidance,” but I suppose the council wanted to be extra sure about this. On 1/11/2024 at 7:37 AM, Guest Pascal said: Does this mean in your opinion that any decision on ordinance or resolution - passed or voted down - will be final with no recourse. I wouldn’t go that far. I think what it means is that any procedural challenge to any action of the council could not be based solely on a violation of Robert’s Rules of Order. Rather, the challenge would need to be based on some violation of the council’s own rules or applicable law. But this is a forum about Robert’s Rules of Order, and this council has just declared that RONR is no longer its parliamentary authority. So I don’t know that our opinions count for much. Edited January 11, 2024 at 06:01 PM by Josh Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 11, 2024 at 06:20 PM Report Share Posted January 11, 2024 at 06:20 PM On 1/11/2024 at 8:37 AM, Guest Pascal said: Our City council passed an ordinance to remove the RONR as the rules to conduct meetings. By the ordinance, the RORN will only provide guidance. In this ordinance, it says too that "in no event shall Robert's Rules of Order cause any action of the City council to be null and void or to otherwise supplant any action of the City Council.". Does this mean in your opinion that any decision on ordinance or resolution - passed or voted down - will be final with no recourse. Thank you. It seems so, but that would probably be the case anyway. If I lived there I would vote against those council members when up for reëlection. It is evidence of extremely poor judgment. 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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