Guest Patricia Collins Posted April 16, 2011 at 08:54 PM Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 at 08:54 PM RRNR states that except in small boards or committees, the chair protects his impartial position by exercising his voting right only when his vote would affect the outcome.....How many members constitutes "small". Does a City Council of 7 elected members qualify as "small"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted April 16, 2011 at 08:55 PM Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 at 08:55 PM RRNR states that except in small boards or committees, the chair protects his impartial position by exercising his voting right only when his vote would affect the outcome.....How many members constitutes "small". Does a City Council of 7 elected members qualify as "small"?RONR refers to "small board meetings" as having "not more than about a dozen members" in attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted April 17, 2011 at 12:30 AM Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 at 12:30 AM RRNR states that except in small boards or committees, the chair protects his impartial position by exercising his voting right only when his vote would affect the outcome.....How many members constitutes "small". Does a City Council of 7 elected members qualify as "small"?The small boards and committees referred to are intended to mean subordinate executive boards or ordinary committees. Strictly speaking, a City Council is an independent body. Nevertheless, I have opined previously on this forum that such a small, independent body is not fully in the nature of a deliberative assembly and need not observe all the "patterns of formality" that are observed in larger, deliberative assemblies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry4000 Posted April 17, 2011 at 02:40 AM Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 at 02:40 AM The small boards and committees referred to are intended to mean subordinate executive boards or ordinary committees. Strictly speaking, a City Council is an independent body. Nevertheless, I have opined previously on this forum that such a small, independent body is not fully in the nature of a deliberative assembly and need not observe all the "patterns of formality" that are observed in larger, deliberative assemblies.On what do you make the claim that "small boards and committees referred to are intended to mean subordinate executive boards or ordinary committees." ?? Who (or what) intended this? Can you cite a reference that RONR is not including a board of not more than about a dozen in this provision, where that board is the primary governing entity of an organization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted April 17, 2011 at 10:21 AM Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 at 10:21 AM On what do you make the claim that "small boards and committees referred to are intended to mean subordinate executive boards or ordinary committees." ??I would think lines 26-29 on p. 8 support Mr. Elsman's position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted April 17, 2011 at 10:41 AM Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 at 10:41 AM I would think lines 26-29 on p. 8 support Mr. Elsman's position.Oh, I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted April 17, 2011 at 09:39 PM Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 at 09:39 PM On what do you make the claim that "small boards and committees referred to are intended to mean subordinate executive boards or ordinary committees." ?? Who (or what) intended this? Can you cite a reference that RONR is not including a board of not more than about a dozen in this provision, where that board is the primary governing entity of an organization?Such a small, independent body is not fully in the nature of a deliberative assembly because of its size, RONR (10th ed.), p. 1, ll. 15-17. The general parliamentary law pertains principally to deliberative assemblies, though some elements may sometimes apply to other bodies, as well, RONR (10th ed.), p. 2, ll. 19-24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patricia Collins Posted April 24, 2011 at 02:19 PM Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 at 02:19 PM The Chair of the City Council is the Mayor elected by the Council. Should not the Mayor be Mayor of all the citizens and be impartial regardless of the size of the Council? or is this a political decision that RONW cannot answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted April 24, 2011 at 03:23 PM Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 at 03:23 PM The Chair of the City Council is the Mayor elected by the Council. Should not the Mayor be Mayor of all the citizens and be impartial regardless of the size of the Council? or is this a political decision that RONW cannot answer.As this is a small group and the Mayor is a member of the council, he/she is free to enter into debate and to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted April 24, 2011 at 04:08 PM Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 at 04:08 PM As this is a small group and the Mayor is a member of the council, he/she is free to enter into debate and to vote.It seems to me that the only question of any significance is the extent to which the Mayor should participate in debate, and this is something that the Council can (and should) decide for itself. Even in a full-blown assembly, the presiding officer, if he is a member, votes whenever it matters (see FAQ #1). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted April 24, 2011 at 05:38 PM Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 at 05:38 PM But in a large assembly, the Chairman - even if a member - should appear to remain impartial. For a small group, the Chairman is more free to participate - but should make sure the rules are properly enforced and that everything is handled fairly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted April 25, 2011 at 03:26 PM Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 at 03:26 PM Should not the Mayor be Mayor of all the citizens and be impartial regardless of the size of the Council? or is this a political decision that RONW cannot answer.It is a political question which is beyond the scope of RONR and this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted April 25, 2011 at 06:53 PM Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 at 06:53 PM The Chair of the City Council is the Mayor elected by the Council. Should not the Mayor be Mayor of all the citizens and be impartial regardless of the size of the Council? or is this a political decision that RONW cannot answer.It is a political question which is beyond the scope of RONR and this forum.It is probably beyond the scope of both (Robert's) Rules of Order Newly Revised, and Return on Net Worth as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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