Abqgram Posted April 19, 2011 at 09:13 PM Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 at 09:13 PM Homeowners Assn is out of control - ie it is under control of two "directors" out of 7. Some other directors almost see the need for use of RONR but are timid. What convincing reasons can a newcomer to the board use in favor of changing the by laws? By the way those two have exceeded their terms. Apparently several times. No one wants to argue. Really, neither do I but right is right, right? The arguments against probly will be that we've always done it this way and RONR s too complicated - we dont' need rules when "...we are all friends here" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted April 19, 2011 at 09:17 PM Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 at 09:17 PM Homeowners Assn is out of control - ie it is under control of two "directors" out of 7. Some other directors almost see the need for use of RONR but are timid. What convincing reasons can a newcomer to the board use in favor of changing the by laws? By the way those two have exceeded their terms. Apparently several times. No one wants to argue. Really, neither do I but right is right, right? The arguments against probly will be that we've always done it this way and RONR s too complicated - we dont' need rules when "...we are all friends here" !If the association wants to write its own parliamentary manual, have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted April 19, 2011 at 09:19 PM Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 at 09:19 PM Homeowners Assn is out of control - ie it is under control of two "directors" out of 7. Some other directors almost see the need for use of RONR but are timid. What convincing reasons can a newcomer to the board use in favor of changing the by laws? By the way those two have exceeded their terms. Apparently several times. No one wants to argue. Really, neither do I but right is right, right? The arguments against probly will be that we've always done it this way and RONR s too complicated - we dont' need rules when "...we are all friends here" !Friends don't let friends meet without a parliamentary authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abqgram Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:13 PM Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:13 PM They don't want ANY rules - just make them up as they go along.<My argument is that life is greatly simplified if we use RONR - And I will offer to help learn them with the extra help of a parliamentarian - but I need more arguments than that - i think! You know true to life stories about the how much better things are with a standard procedure??If the association wants to write its own parliamentary manual, have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abqgram Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:15 PM Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:15 PM Cool - I will use that - but also see my reply to Rob Elsman - I'm not the worlds best salesmanFriends don't let friends meet without a parliamentary authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:25 PM Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:25 PM They don't want ANY rules - just make them up as they go along.<My argument is that life is greatly simplified if we use RONR - And I will offer to help learn them with the extra help of a parliamentarian - but I need more arguments than that - i think! You know true to life stories about the how much better things are with a standard procedure??Look through RONR and find some examples of situations where both sides could have a fairly reasonable reason to see things their way but RONR is very clear as to the rules (example: absentee voting which is not allowed unless the bylaws specifically permits it-RONR pp. 408-409, or that Special Meetings must be authorized by the bylaws in order to be permitted-RONR pp. 89-90). Then present that scenario to the Board and let them fight it out for a while and then point out the page where RONR says what it says. Do that two or three times and then ask them if they REALLY want to have to fight each battle as it comes along or would they prefer to have a battle plan that is already written (by THE General to boot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tctheatc Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:32 PM Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:32 PM I'm in a situation where (gently) trying to work RONR into our meetings is coming along slowly, but coming along. When I chair, and we stay focused, follow procedure, etc, I find we stray off topic far less. I usually point out how quickly we have dealt with our business and people seem surprised that we're covering a lot of stuff in a relatively short amount of time.Don't know if that helps in your situation, but maybe it's an angle to try. Efficient meetings ARE shorter.Homeowners Assn is out of control - ie it is under control of two "directors" out of 7. Some other directors almost see the need for use of RONR but are timid. What convincing reasons can a newcomer to the board use in favor of changing the by laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:39 PM Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:39 PM Homeowners Assn is out of control - ie it is under control of two "directors" out of 7. Some other directors almost see the need for use of RONR but are timid.Get new directors. See FAQ #20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:55 PM Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:55 PM They don't want ANY rules - just make them up as they go along.<My argument is that life is greatly simplified if we use RONR - And I will offer to help learn them with the extra help of a parliamentarian - but I need more arguments than that - i think! You know true to life stories about the how much better things are with a standard procedure??My guess is that the association would be better off not adopting a parliamentary manual that it did not intend to learn and adhere to. If RONR is considered too hard, too complex, etc., etc., then go find some other solution that is more to its fancy, or do without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted April 20, 2011 at 02:07 PM Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 at 02:07 PM Cool - I will use that - but also see my reply to Rob Elsman - I'm not the worlds best salesmanAlso see the quotes from HMR, TJ, et al, that appear in the signatures of some of the other members.I think the key point is that while they are friends now, the use of standard procedure allows them to remain friends even at the inevitable times that they disagree about decision making. Rules allow friends to remain friends in much the same manner as locks allow honest people to remain honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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