Guest iwilliams Posted May 14, 2011 at 11:32 PM Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 at 11:32 PM before a vote it was established that 33 people were eligible to vote. Thus, 2/3 is 22. The vote was 21 for and 7 against. Some people (5) didn't vote. Is the 2/3 determined on the 33 before the vote or do you recompute the 2/3 based on the 28 people who actually voted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted May 14, 2011 at 11:34 PM Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 at 11:34 PM Is the 2/3 determined on the 33 before the vote or do you recompute the 2/3 based on the 28 people who actually voted.It's based on the number of members present and voting. So a vote of 1-0, with all other members abstaining (i.e. not voting) would constitute a two-thirds vote.And there's no "re-computation" since it doesn't matter how many members are present.The simplest way to determine a two-thirds vote is if there are at least twice as many "yes" votes as "no" votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 14, 2011 at 11:45 PM Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 at 11:45 PM before a vote it was established that 33 people were eligible to vote. Thus, 2/3 is 22. The vote was 21 for and 7 against. Some people (5) didn't vote. Is the 2/3 determined on the 33 before the vote or do you recompute the 2/3 based on the 28 people who actually voted.A majority vote is one thing. A 2/3 vote is another. There is no "2/3 majority" vote. It's like colorless pink unicorns. For a "2/3 vote", this refers to 2/3 of the members present and voting. People who don't vote don't count (except toward a quorum). As long as there are at least twice as many Yes votes as No votes, then 2/3 approval has been achieved. So 21-7 is more than enough. In fact that even qualifies as a 3/4 vote. You don't "recompute" anything, because computing the number in the first place was meaningless. You just vote, and count the votes.It would have to be qualified, such as "2/3 of those members present" in order to matter how many didn't vote. And most well-written rules don't do things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted May 14, 2011 at 11:49 PM Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 at 11:49 PM There is no "2/3 majority" vote. It's like colorless pink unicorns.Everyone knows what a two-thirds majority is. It's one of an infinite number of possible majorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM Everyone knows what a two-thirds majority is. It's one of an infinite number of possible majorities.Exactly. <chortle>But as a rational number, it's merely countably infinite. Furthermore, if we restrict ourselves to fractions like 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, that is, fractions of the form n/(n+1), then it's--well, never mind, it's still countably infinite. But who's counting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted May 15, 2011 at 12:54 AM Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 at 12:54 AM Oh come on, any (European) grade school kid can tell you that a "2/3 majority" means "more than 1/3"."Countable infinity", indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 15, 2011 at 01:28 AM Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 at 01:28 AM Oh come on, any (European) grade school kid can tell you that a "2/3 majority" means "more than 1/3". I thought that was a 2/3 minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted May 15, 2011 at 04:53 AM Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 at 04:53 AM Oh come on, any (European) grade school kid can tell you that a "2/3 majority" means "more than 1/3"."Countable infinity", indeed!John! I thought you had switched sides on this two or three years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Cisar Posted May 15, 2011 at 08:29 AM Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 at 08:29 AM John! I thought you had switched sides on this two or three years ago!He did only 2/3 of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted May 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM If one says "2/3 supermajority" I'm content.And, of course, in real life, as opposed to the Internet, "2/3 majority" doesn't concern me much at all. I know what they mean, they know what they mean, we all get along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmtcastle Posted May 19, 2011 at 11:02 PM Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 at 11:02 PM And, of course, in real life, as opposed to the Internet, "2/3 majority" doesn't concern me much at all. I know what they mean, they know what they mean, we all get along.OMG!This ain't, like, real life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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