Guest Jan Posted October 23, 2011 at 05:45 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 at 05:45 PM When an organization already has adopted ByLaws, is it proper to add an 'addendum' and specify in the main body of the ByLaws to reference that 'addendum'? I have always understood that the ByLaws should be one document - not a series of added documents. Is my thinking incorrect? I have read through Roberts and cannot find any references to addendums of ByLaws.Thanks so much for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:02 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:02 PM When an organization already has adopted ByLaws, is it proper to add an 'addendum' and specify in the main body of the ByLaws to reference that 'addendum'? I have always understood that the ByLaws should be one document - not a series of added documents. Is my thinking incorrect? I have read through Roberts and cannot find any references to addendums of ByLaws.Thanks so much for your help.If this "addendum" is intended to modify the bylaws, it is an amendment and can only be adopted by the vote requirement set forth in the bylaws for their own amendment. If such an amendment is adopted, it becomes part of the bylaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bz24P4 Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:24 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:24 PM The addendum was an addition to the bylaws and was indeed adopted under the requirements. I guess my question is more in the physical sense of the word 'document'. I perceive the ByLaws to be 1 document. In my mind, the accepted addendum creates 2 documents, albeit connected to each other by reference in each document to the other. I always thought that if an addition (amendment) to the ByLaws was accepted, that the ByLaws would be reproduced with the addition (amendment) put iin its proper place within the ByLaws document. Is my thinking off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:26 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:26 PM When an organization already has adopted ByLaws, is it proper to add an 'addendum' and specify in the main body of the ByLaws to reference that 'addendum'? I have always understood that the ByLaws should be one document - not a series of added documents. Is my thinking incorrect? I have read through Roberts and cannot find any references to addendums of ByLaws.Thanks so much for your help.Yes, this is proper. In fact, if you look at Article VIII of the sample bylaws in RONR (11th ed.), p. 588. ll. 4-8, you will find that the current edition of Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised is, in effect, incorporated by reference.>>---> Edited the line numbers of the citation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jan Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:30 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:30 PM Okay - Thank you. I guess I'll just have to adjust my thinking. Again, thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:37 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:37 PM Okay - Thank you. I guess I'll just have to adjust my thinking. Again, thanks for the clarification.Well, although it is correct, it is not necessarily preferred. The US Constitution, for instance, lists each Amendment as an addendum to the original, occasionally with references in the original text to point out parts that have been superseded by one or more subsequently adopted amendments. But in an ordinary society, amendments are normally offered in terms of what language is struck out or inserted, and the bylaws themselves, in printed copies, are modified to show only the current language as amended.What is lost in historical traceability is regained in useability.And in truth, no traceability is lost, because the minutes provide a complete record of what changes have been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:42 PM Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 at 06:42 PM The addendum was an addition to the bylaws and was indeed adopted under the requirements. I guess my question is more in the physical sense of the word 'document'. I perceive the ByLaws to be 1 document. In my mind, the accepted addendum creates 2 documents, albeit connected to each other by reference in each document to the other. I always thought that if an addition (amendment) to the ByLaws was accepted, that the ByLaws would be reproduced with the addition (amendment) put iin its proper place within the ByLaws document. Is my thinking off?Okay, this clears things up, and Mr. Elsman's response hits it on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gary c Tesser Posted October 24, 2011 at 07:30 AM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 07:30 AM Yes, this is proper. In fact, if you look at Article VIII of the sample bylaws in RONR (11th ed.), p. 588. ll. 13-16, you will find that the current edition of Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised is, in effect, incorporated by reference.Rob, I'm, hoping you mean some other lines; and if you are, how does Article (Roman) 8 incorporate RONR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gary c Tesser Posted October 24, 2011 at 08:38 AM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 08:38 AM ... (this is me, on a tear.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:15 AM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:15 AM Rob, I'm, hoping you mean some other lines; and if you are, how does Article (Roman) 8 incorporate RONR?Well, the bylaws say the rules in RONR shall govern, so doesn't that mean that the bylaws say that the rules in RONR shall govern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:23 AM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:23 AM Rob, I'm, hoping you mean some other lines; and if you are, how does Article (Roman) 8 incorporate RONR?How does it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:25 AM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:25 AM How does it not?It incorporates it to the sample society, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trina Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:27 AM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:27 AM How does it not?It may be a question about the use of the word 'incorporate', as in 'make a part of' -- the same question that Gary and others were discussing in another very recent thread. Gary?This was the thread I was reminded of: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:32 AM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:32 AM It may be a question about the use of the word 'incorporate', as in 'make a part of' -- the same question that Gary and others were discussing in another very recent thread. Gary?This was the thread I was reminded of:It does become a part of the society. It becomes a part of the society's rules. Gary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:52 AM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 11:52 AM It may be a question about the use of the word 'incorporate', as in 'make a part of' -- the same question that Gary and others were discussing in another very recent thread. Gary?This was the thread I was reminded of:http://robertsrules....what-can-i-add/But that's a thread that ran off its tracks, so I wouldn't suggest going back to it, and I suspect we ought not run this one off its tracks either.I understand what you want to discuss, but I suggest that (if you really want to pursue it properly) a new thread be started focusing directly on the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted October 24, 2011 at 02:22 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 02:22 PM Rob, I'm, hoping you mean some other lines; and if you are, how does Article (Roman) 8 incorporate RONR?Gary, thank you for pointing out the incorrect citation. I have edited it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmuel Gerber Posted October 24, 2011 at 07:45 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 07:45 PM Gary, thank you for pointing out the incorrect citation. I have edited it.But you weren't supposed to; you were supposed to place the correction in an addendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 24, 2011 at 07:48 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 07:48 PM But you weren't supposed to; you were supposed to place the correction in an addendum. appendage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted October 24, 2011 at 07:53 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 at 07:53 PM But you weren't supposed to; you were supposed to place the correction in an addendum. I think you must have meant a corrigendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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