Guest JLB Posted May 2, 2012 at 04:27 AM Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 at 04:27 AM Two amended motions were presented regarding the same matter. After the first one was voted down, the second motioner withdrew his motion.(just trying to get people to have to make a choice)Do you get to go back to the first motion because the voting was based on the two motions that were presented? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted May 2, 2012 at 09:43 AM Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 at 09:43 AM 8 views, no replies. Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted May 2, 2012 at 11:41 AM Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 at 11:41 AM Two amended motions were presented regarding the same matter. After the first one was voted down, the second motioner withdrew his motion.(just trying to get people to have to make a choice)Do you get to go back to the first motion because the voting was based on the two motions that were presented?A defeated motion may be Renewed (Section 38, RONR 11th Ed.) again at any subsequent session. I'm assuming the meeting has already adjourned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted May 2, 2012 at 12:17 PM Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 at 12:17 PM 8 views, no replies. Huh.This is hardly surprising, in view of the totally incomprehensible statement of facts, but it didn't stop our intrepid Mr. Foulkes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted May 2, 2012 at 12:24 PM Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 at 12:24 PM This is hardly surprising, in view of the totally incomprehensible statement of facts, but it didn't stop our intrepid Mr. Foulkes. You should have seen my first reply! Two amended (?) motions presented on the same subject? At the same time? Why, it hurt so bad I almost called 911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted May 2, 2012 at 03:12 PM Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 at 03:12 PM Hence my observation. I was tempted to throw in something generic, of possible usefulness, but couldn't see what; fortunately, with a couple more hours' sleep (and intrepidness), Mr Foulkes stepped in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 3, 2012 at 02:31 AM Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 at 02:31 AM Two amended motions were presented regarding the same matter. After the first one was voted down, the second motioner withdrew his motion.(just trying to get people to have to make a choice)Do you get to go back to the first motion because the voting was based on the two motions that were presented?It's hard to understand what actually happened here. There can't be two motions on the floor at the same time, so perhaps you're talking about two amendments offered to one motion?If the first amendment was voted down, and the second amendment was withdrawn, then yes, what you are left with is the original motion, but it still has to be voted on, since the vote on the amendment was just to decide if it should be changed before being voted on, not to decide if it should be adopted.If that's not what you're talking about, then I'm sure I have no idea what you are talking about, and not overmuch confidence that either of us does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted May 3, 2012 at 08:19 AM Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 at 08:19 AM ... either of us What's Foulkes, Honemann, and I, chopped liver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted May 3, 2012 at 09:59 AM Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 at 09:59 AM It's hard to understand what actually happened here. There can't be two motions on the floor at the same time, so perhaps you're talking about two amendments offered to one motion?If the first amendment was voted down, and the second amendment was withdrawn, then yes, what you are left with is the original motion, but it still has to be voted on, since the vote on the amendment was just to decide if it should be changed before being voted on, not to decide if it should be adopted.If that's not what you're talking about, then I'm sure I have no idea what you are talking about, and not overmuch confidence that either of us does.Nice reading, Gary. I'm going with you on this now.JLB -- come baaaaaaaacck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trina Posted May 3, 2012 at 10:04 AM Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 at 10:04 AM Two amended motions were presented regarding the same matter. After the first one was voted down, the second motioner withdrew his motion.(just trying to get people to have to make a choice)Do you get to go back to the first motion because the voting was based on the two motions that were presented?I'm not sure I understand the facts presented.However, if the assembly wanted to consider the second motion after the first one was defeated, why didn't they (the assembly) just go ahead and do that? Instead, it sounds as though they were dead in the water because the second motion maker 'withdrew his motion'. If the assembly wanted to consider it anyway, why didn't someone else just make the motion? People often seem to view the motion maker's connection to his motion with excessive reverence -- e.g. asking the motion maker for permission before offering amendments to a pending motion -- maybe this was a similar error in thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted May 3, 2012 at 01:10 PM Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 at 01:10 PM I'm not sure I understand the facts presented.This is hardly surprising, in view of the totally incomprehensible statement of facts, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted May 3, 2012 at 02:24 PM Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 at 02:24 PM What's Foulkes, Honemann, and I, chopped liver?Well, no, but as it was a mild insult, I chose to leave you three out. I stand corrected. We are all clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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