Guest Bedelia Posted August 10, 2012 at 06:36 PM Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 at 06:36 PM If someone is aware a committee's recommendation was not unanimous... In fact is going forward by a small margin, can a voting member when discussion is opened ask for the committee's vote on the recommendation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted August 10, 2012 at 06:49 PM Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 at 06:49 PM In the first place, it makes no difference what the vote was. As long as it passed by a majority of the committee members, it is the will of the committee.In general, no single member has the right to demand that a committee do anything, but I suppose you could ask for that information with unanimous consent. Officially, though, the report of the committee would contain everything that the committee wanted to convey. And, as I said, the actual vote is immaterial anyway. The only vote that matters is the one taken in the main body to accept, reject, or change the recommendation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted August 11, 2012 at 04:10 AM Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 at 04:10 AM Also, while the organization is not forced to consider it, a minority report may be offered by the members of the Committee who did not agree with the decision of the majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted August 11, 2012 at 10:22 AM Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 at 10:22 AM Also, while the organization is not forced to consider it, a minority report may be offered by the members of the Committee who did not agree with the decision of the majority.The association is not only not "forced" to consider to a minority report but it is free to refuse to even hear the minority report - majority vote.See pp. 527 ff. for addirional rules about the minority report and what a "minority member" may say in debate about any recommendations in the (majority) Committee Report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lages Posted August 11, 2012 at 03:21 PM Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 at 03:21 PM Consider also that there may not even be a record of the numbers of yes and no votes if the vote in committee was taken as a voice vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted August 11, 2012 at 04:10 PM Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 at 04:10 PM True, but don't forget that any committee member (who is also a member of the assembly) is free to debate for or against the Committee's (majority) recommendations irrespective of the vote in the committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted August 11, 2012 at 04:45 PM Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 at 04:45 PM True, but don't forget that any committee member (who is also a member of the assembly) is free to debate for or against the Committee's (majority) recommendations irrespective of the vote in the committee.And the member can move amendments to any recommendation of the committee so that the recommendation will be in line with the option of the member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted August 11, 2012 at 06:08 PM Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 at 06:08 PM True, but don't forget that any committee member (who is also a member of the assembly) is free to debate for or against the Committee's (majority) recommendations irrespective of the vote in the committee.Yes, but also consider the emphasized (by me) text below: [The] formal presentation of a “minority report” is a privilege that the assembly may accord, not a matter of right—since the appointment of the committee implies that the assembly is primarily interested in the findings of the majority of the committee’s members. But in debate on any written or oral report in the assembly, any member of the reporting committee who does not concur has the same right as any other member of the assembly to speak individually in opposition. No one can make allusion in the assembly to what has occurred during the deliberations of the committee, however, unless it is by report of the committee or by unanimous consent.* Considering that the vote that the OP mentioned occurred during the deliberations of the committee, even asking for the information would apparently be out of order, except by unanimous consent.___________*Robert, Henry M. III (2011-09-27). Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, 11th edition (Kindle Locations 9872-9876). Perseus Books Group. Kindle Edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted August 11, 2012 at 06:16 PM Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 at 06:16 PM Considering that the vote that the OP mentioned occurred during the deliberations of the committee, even asking for the information would apparently be out of order, except by unanimous consent.Where did this come from (or, where did it go)?Anyway, does this prohibit a member from (re-)using the same arguments he used (against the majority) in the committee? It's seems a bit ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted August 11, 2012 at 06:18 PM Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 at 06:18 PM Where did this come from (or, where did it go)?Hmm. It reappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted August 11, 2012 at 08:34 PM Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 at 08:34 PM Where did this come from (or, where did it go)?Anyway, does this prohibit a member from (re-)using the same arguments he used (against the majority) in the committee? It's seems a bit ludicrous.No, he could use the same arguments, but may not make reference to the fact that they were raised in committee. I wonder if he could point out that they were not considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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