Guest Helene Fuchs Posted November 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM I would like to know how long paper ballots should be held. right now we keep our voting tallies for 4 years and the former president of our HOA keeps piling up the old paper ballots. I am the new president and feel that if there was no protest, or recount requested, we can shred the paper ballots one year after voting..can you help and advise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted November 15, 2012 at 12:51 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 12:51 PM I would like to know how long paper ballots should be held. right now we keep our voting tallies for 4 years and the former president of our HOA keeps piling up the old paper ballots. I am the new president and feel that if there was no protest, or recount requested, we can shred the paper ballots one year after voting..can you help and advise?"After completion of an election or balloting on a motion, unless the voting body directs otherwise, the tellers place the ballots and tally sheets in the custody of the secretary, who keeps them under seal until the time within which a recount may be ordered expires, and the destroys them. A recount may be ordered by the voting body, by a majority vote, at the same session at which the voting result was announced, or at the next regular session if that session is held within a quarterly time interval." See RONR (11th ed.), p. 418, l. 32 - p. 419, l. 9.Any procedural rules contained in state laws that apply to your association would supersede the rules of RONR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted November 15, 2012 at 05:26 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 05:26 PM .... or at the next regular session if that session is held within a quarterly time interval."Could a special meeting be called for a recount? I'm going with no, for the moment, but thought I'd ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted November 15, 2012 at 05:36 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 05:36 PM ....we can shred the paper ballots one year after voting..can you help and advise?So, still a bit longer than required by RONR. Next regular meeting, or a quarterly interval, whichever comes first. Your rules may vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted November 15, 2012 at 05:54 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 05:54 PM Could a special meeting be called for a recount? I'm going with no, for the moment, but thought I'd ask.If special meetings are permitted, yes. See p. 419, ll. 5-11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted November 15, 2012 at 05:57 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 05:57 PM If special meetings are permitted, yes. See p. 419, ll. 5-11.Thanks. Gotta remember to bring my book with me from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted November 15, 2012 at 06:15 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 06:15 PM Could a special meeting be called for a recount? I'm going with no, for the moment, but thought I'd ask.Yes, that's actually covered by the next sentence in RONR, following the last sentence that I plagiarized. I was going to type it as well, but my thumb was getting tired. Anyway, the special meeting would have to be within a quarterly time interval, and it would have to take place before the next regular meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted November 15, 2012 at 06:46 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 06:46 PM .... my thumb was getting tired.Almost, but not quite, enough to evoke sympathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted November 15, 2012 at 06:49 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 06:49 PM . . . my thumb was getting tired.Almost, but not quite, enough to evoke sympathy.Only one thumb? That's enough for my sympathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted November 15, 2012 at 07:23 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 07:23 PM It is a lot easier to do this while laying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted November 15, 2012 at 07:34 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 07:34 PM It is a lot easier to do this while laying.And a lot more fun too. But kinda rude, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted November 15, 2012 at 08:01 PM Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 at 08:01 PM It is a lot easier to do this while laying. I hope that was an auto-correct Fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted November 16, 2012 at 04:16 AM Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 at 04:16 AM I hope that was an auto-correct Fail.Well, I am horizontal. All papers from me since 1994 were typed while laying. One one had a written draft that was written while sitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted November 16, 2012 at 05:22 AM Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 at 05:22 AM I'm going to have to accuse J.J. of lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted November 16, 2012 at 11:49 AM Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 at 11:49 AM All papers from me since 1994 were typed while laying.You da man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted November 16, 2012 at 10:57 PM Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 at 10:57 PM Well, I am horizontal. All papers from me since 1994 were typed while laying. One one had a written draft that was written while sitting.J. J., I am fairly certain that you mean lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nancy N. Posted November 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM J. J., I am fairly certain that you mean lying.You got an RONR citation for that, or somehow disagree with Tim and Edgar, or you're just winging in with lesser authorities?Capcha try 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted November 17, 2012 at 05:26 PM Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 at 05:26 PM You got an RONR citation for that, or somehow disagree with Tim and Edgar, or you're just winging in with lesser authorities?Capcha try 2.Actually, I believe I can come up with a RONR citation for that.As noted, laying is a transitive verb, as in laying a question on the table (RONR, 11th ed., pg. 213, lines 25-26). Lying is an intransitive verb, so after a question has been laid on the table, the question is lying on the table (RONR, 11th ed., pg. 214, lines 29-33). So J. J. was, presumably, writing his articles while lying in bed.We cannot confirm this, of course, but as others have noted, if J. J. did indeed mean laying, then this is rather impressive for several reasons, including his ability to multitask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edgar Posted November 17, 2012 at 06:57 PM Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 at 06:57 PM So J. J. was, presumably, writing his articles while lying in bed.Whoa! No one said anything about a bed.If there's any laying to be done, parliamentarians do it on the table. When they have the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. J. Posted November 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM I lay to type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Rempel Posted November 18, 2012 at 09:38 PM Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 at 09:38 PM I lay to type.You LIE to type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted November 18, 2012 at 09:56 PM Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 at 09:56 PM Okay, let's just all agree that he's a lay typist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted November 19, 2012 at 03:11 AM Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 at 03:11 AM Only one thumb? That's enough for my sympathy.I never use my left thumb while typing. But I still keep it around for old time's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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