Guest guest Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:56 AM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:56 AM If on a board, someone is running unopposed and a yes or no vote is taken and the no votes are the majority, does that mean that the person is not elected to office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMargaret Posted December 3, 2012 at 02:05 AM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 02:05 AM Why was a yes or no vote taken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted December 3, 2012 at 02:12 AM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 02:12 AM Why? Could be a viva voce election (RONR, p. 442) but that would be a mis-use of the system, too, when there is only one candidate.The (implicit) RONR "philosophy" (if that isn't too grand a word) is that "You gotta have officers, if the bylaws say so, so if there's only one person running, he is it!"And if you don't like that person, nominate someone else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Britton Posted December 3, 2012 at 02:22 AM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 02:22 AM Why? Could be a viva voce election (RONR, p. 442) but that would be a mis-use of the system, too, when there is only one candidate.The (implicit) RONR "philosophy" (if that isn't too grand a word) is that "You gotta have officers, if the bylaws say so, so if there's only one person running, he is it!"And if you don't like that person, nominate someone else!Or at least write in someone else's name. Even Snoopy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted December 3, 2012 at 03:25 AM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 03:25 AM Nope - can't (properly) vote for Snoopy any more. The 10th ed (p. 402) did mention voting for "fictional characters" (doing such generated an illegal vote) but no more. "Fictional Characters" are gone from the RONR universe.I suppose a vote for Snoopy would be an abstention now, but the book doesn't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted December 3, 2012 at 03:42 AM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 03:42 AM If on a board, someone is running unopposed and a yes or no vote is taken and the no votes are the majority, does that mean that the person is not elected to office?Well, it sure seems that way, doesn't it? So, what happened after that?Since there was only one nominee, and since your bylaws apparently don't require a ballot vote for elections, what should have happened is the chair would have announced the nominee elected by "acclamation" (or unanimous consent). If no other nominations were forthcoming, one possibility would have been for a motion to take a ballot vote to be adopted (by majority vote), and then members could write in another person's name on the ballot. If another person had received a majority of write-in votes, he would be elected.It sounds like you have an incomplete election and need to hold another meeting to finish this business. When is your next regular meeting scheduled? Do your bylaws allow for Special Meetings to be called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldon Merritt Posted December 3, 2012 at 04:22 AM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 04:22 AM The 10th ed (p. 402) did mention voting for "fictional characters" (doing such generated an illegal vote) but no more. "Fictional Characters" are gone from the RONR universe.Ah, but how do you reliably distinguish between a fictional character and an ineligible candidate (such as a non-member when the bylaws require that officers be members)? Maybe "Snoppy" would be fairly obvious, but some other names might not be. For example, one might assume that "Donald Duck" is a fictioonal character; but in fact I am aware of at least one real person with that name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Britton Posted December 3, 2012 at 07:01 AM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 07:01 AM Nope - can't (properly) vote for Snoopy any more. The 10th ed (p. 402) did mention voting for "fictional characters" (doing such generated an illegal vote) but no more. "Fictional Characters" are gone from the RONR universe.I suppose a vote for Snoopy would be an abstention now, but the book doesn't say.So if I voted for the "Lone Ranger." would that be considered an unidentifiable candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted December 3, 2012 at 07:43 AM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 07:43 AM Ah, but how do you reliably distinguish between a fictional character and an ineligible candidate (such as a non-member when the bylaws require that officers be members)?So if I voted for the "Lone Ranger." would that be considered an unidentifiable candidate?Beats me. By (implicitly) disallowing a vote for a fictional character or any other patently absurd "candidate" (and not saying what happens if you vote for one anyway), the book and the A-Team appear to have dug themselves a little logic-hole that needs to be re-filled in the 12th edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted December 3, 2012 at 12:07 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 12:07 PM Beats me.By (implicitly) disallowing a vote for a fictional character or any other patently absurd "candidate" (and not saying what happens if you vote for one anyway), the book and the A-Team appear to have dug themselves a little logic-hole that needs to be re-filled in the 12th edition.This bemoaning of the removal of "a fictional character" from the text is nothing but more silliness, worthy of a similar fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted December 3, 2012 at 12:15 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 12:15 PM OK, so you, (Dan) are a teller at an election and a ballot unfolds for you to read "Wilkins Mcawber" as a write in.How do you tabulate it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted December 3, 2012 at 12:21 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 12:21 PM OK, so you, (Dan) are a teller at an election and a ballot unfolds for you to read "Wilkins Mcawber" as a write in.How do you tabulate it?This has nothing to do with the question asked in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:00 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:00 PM OK, so you, (Dan) are a teller at an election and a ballot unfolds for you to read "Wilkins Mcawber" as a write in.How do you tabulate it?This forum works best if you Start New Topic with your question, even though it seems related to the one in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:05 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:05 PM Fair enough - my enthusiasm got the best of me; my apologies. I'll put this in the "Advanced" Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Foulkes Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:07 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:07 PM Fair enough - my enthusiasm got the best of me; my apologies. I'll put this in the "Advanced" ForumWell, that seems to be pushing it, but okay. For now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:08 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:08 PM Fair enough - my enthusiasm got the best of me; my apologies. I'll put this in the "Advanced" ForumI'd suggest the Silliness Forum, but I'm afraid we don't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:26 PM Report Share Posted December 3, 2012 at 01:26 PM For example, one might assume that "Donald Duck" is a fictioonal character; but in fact I am aware of at least one real person with that name.Umm, could you let him know he's been elected Secretary of the local Small Dog club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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