Leo Posted April 10, 2017 at 02:46 PM Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 at 02:46 PM Is the election of a chair pro tem debatable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted April 10, 2017 at 02:51 PM Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 at 02:51 PM 4 minutes ago, Leo said: Is the election of a chair pro tem debatable? No but the nominations for the position are debatable while nominations are open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted April 10, 2017 at 03:09 PM Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 at 03:09 PM Is there a citation to that effect in RONR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted April 10, 2017 at 03:19 PM Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 at 03:19 PM 9 minutes ago, Leo said: Is there a citation to that effect in RONR? For nominations being debatable? RONR, tinted pages 18-19, motion 49. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted April 11, 2017 at 09:17 AM Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 at 09:17 AM Is there a citation that the election of a chair pro tem is not debatable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Coronite Posted April 11, 2017 at 12:28 PM Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 at 12:28 PM Whereas RONR identifies chair (and secretary) as necessary at a business meeting, what would there be to debate? Would debating the act of selecting a chair pro-tem when one is needed be dilatory? Only the nominations themselves, then, could be debated. I'm asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted April 11, 2017 at 12:50 PM Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 at 12:50 PM As Mr. Coronite asked, what is there to debate? Do you want to debate whether or not to have an election for chair pro-tem? That's not proper. Do you want to debate the nominees? That is proper. Do you want to debate on how the vote is taken (ballot, or some other method)? That's not proper. So, Leo, exactly what is it you're wishing to debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted April 11, 2017 at 02:03 PM Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 at 02:03 PM I am not wishing to debate. I was looking for a citation in RONR that states, "The election of a chair pro tem is not debatable." for example In the absence of the president and the vice president the secretary calls the meeting to order and presides over the election of a chair pro tem. The secretary says, "If there is no objection John Smith is elected chair pro tem." Member A having objected to the unanimous consent then addressed the secretary and wishes to debate the issue. The secretary says, "RONR p. xx, ll. xx-xx, states 'the election of a chair pro tem is not debatable." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted April 11, 2017 at 02:11 PM Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 at 02:11 PM 8 minutes ago, Leo said: I am not wishing to debate. I was looking for a citation in RONR that states, "The election of a chair pro tem is not debatable." for example In the absence of the president and the vice president the secretary calls the meeting to order and presides over the election of a chair pro tem. The secretary says, "If there is no objection John Smith is elected chair pro tem." Member A having objected to the unanimous consent then addressed the secretary and wishes to debate the issue. The secretary says, "RONR p. xx, ll. xx-xx, states 'the election of a chair pro tem is not debatable." Forget about it. There's no statement that says "nominations are debatable", but they are, as previously cited. The Secretary says no such thing without opening the floor for nominations for the office. If there was one nominee, and there were no further names put forth, the Secretary would simply declare the lone nominee elected No member may object to that declaration unless they wish to nominate someone else. RONR, p. 433 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Martin Posted April 11, 2017 at 06:06 PM Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 at 06:06 PM 4 hours ago, Leo said: I am not wishing to debate. I was looking for a citation in RONR that states, "The election of a chair pro tem is not debatable." for example In the absence of the president and the vice president the secretary calls the meeting to order and presides over the election of a chair pro tem. The secretary says, "If there is no objection John Smith is elected chair pro tem." Member A having objected to the unanimous consent then addressed the secretary and wishes to debate the issue. The secretary says, "RONR p. xx, ll. xx-xx, states 'the election of a chair pro tem is not debatable." The Secretary should instead ask Member A who he intends to nominate instead. He may speak in favor of his preferred candidate if he wishes. The position of chairman is an essential office for a deliberative assembly. If the President and Vice President are not present, the assembly must elect someone to preside. There is no question on this, and there is therefore nothing to debate. The members may debate who to elect, and thus, the nominations are debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted April 11, 2017 at 08:27 PM Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 at 08:27 PM This strikes me as really no different from any other elections. Although nominations are debatable, the elections themselves are not debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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