Guest Theresa Henle Posted December 14, 2017 at 08:20 PM Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 at 08:20 PM If a roll call vote is used during elections when there are 2 nominations, does each board member announce which candidate they choose during the roll call vote which would require them to vote only once. We typically had only one nomination in the past and conducted a voice vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted December 14, 2017 at 08:25 PM Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 at 08:25 PM 4 minutes ago, Guest Theresa Henle said: If a roll call vote is used during elections when there are 2 nominations, does each board member announce which candidate they choose during the roll call vote which would require them to vote only once. We typically had only one nomination in the past and conducted a voice vote. That's correct, or they may abstain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted December 14, 2017 at 08:42 PM Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 at 08:42 PM 21 minutes ago, Guest Theresa Henle said: does each board member announce which candidate they choose during the roll call vote which would require them to vote only once. I'm curious - what is the alternative where they vote more than once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Goodwiller, PRP Posted December 14, 2017 at 09:42 PM Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 at 09:42 PM 1 hour ago, George Mervosh said: That's correct, or they may abstain. Or give another name as a "write in," unless your rules specifically preclude it. 57 minutes ago, Joshua Katz said: I'm curious - what is the alternative where they vote more than once? The only thing I can think of is if they treated each candidate as a yes or no vote, and then waited to see which candidate received the greater majority (or voted again if neither one achieved a majority). That is clearly not a proper way to conduct an election in accordance with RONR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted December 14, 2017 at 10:23 PM Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 at 10:23 PM 30 minutes ago, Greg Goodwiller said: The only thing I can think of is if they treated each candidate as a yes or no vote, and then waited to see which candidate received the greater majority (or voted again if neither one achieved a majority). That is clearly not a proper way to conduct an election in accordance with RONR. Oh yes it is, for a viva voce election, p. 442 - or almost anyway - the use of a roll-call does cloud the issue a bit. RONR speaks to that combination but p. 443 isn't clear whether the responses by the voters are names or Yes/No votes. I wonder if Guest T Henle's organization bylaws require ballot votes. If so the (public) roll-call system is improper no matter how the voters respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted December 14, 2017 at 10:35 PM Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 at 10:35 PM 11 minutes ago, jstackpo said: Oh yes it is, for a viva voce election, p. 442 - or almost anyway - the use of a roll-call does cloud the issue a bit. RONR speaks to that combination but p. 443 isn't clear whether the responses by the voters are names or Yes/No votes. This is just election by blank-filling, is it not? (But how do you sequence the candidates? By pre-election polling?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Theresa Henle Posted December 15, 2017 at 12:49 AM Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 12:49 AM 2 hours ago, jstackpo said: Oh yes it is, for a viva voce election, p. 442 - or almost anyway - the use of a roll-call does cloud the issue a bit. RONR speaks to that combination but p. 443 isn't clear whether the responses by the voters are names or Yes/No votes. I wonder if Guest T Henle's organization bylaws require ballot votes. If so the (public) roll-call system is improper no matter how the voters respond. Our bylaws do not require ballot votes. It only indicates that president be elected. In the past, we have only had one nomination so have used viva voice election. We may have more nominations this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Theresa Henle Posted December 15, 2017 at 12:54 AM Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 12:54 AM Our bylaws do not specify a ballot vote. In the past we have only had one nomination and used a viva voce election. We may have more nominations this year though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted December 15, 2017 at 01:27 AM Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 01:27 AM 30 minutes ago, Guest Theresa Henle said: Our bylaws do not specify a ballot vote. In the past we have only had one nomination and used a viva voce election. We may have more nominations this year though. Your association is free, then, to require a secret ballot vote (majority vote to require it) or simply have the chair announce that the single candidate is elected by acclamation - p. 443. Your option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted December 15, 2017 at 01:28 AM Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 01:28 AM 2 hours ago, Joshua Katz said: This is just election by blank-filling, is it not? (But how do you sequence the candidates? By pre-election polling?) Ask the authors of RONR -- its their set of rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted December 15, 2017 at 01:34 AM Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 01:34 AM 2 minutes ago, jstackpo said: Ask the authors of RONR -- its their set of rules. And the answer is, (if I had had my wits about me, and memory, active), right there on p. 442: the sequence is the order of nomination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted December 15, 2017 at 02:24 PM Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 02:24 PM 16 hours ago, Greg Goodwiller said: Or give another name as a "write in," unless your rules specifically preclude it. I've never heard of that on a roll call vote with two options. Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lages Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:10 PM Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 03:10 PM 14 hours ago, Guest Theresa Henle said: Our bylaws do not specify a ballot vote. In the past we have only had one nomination and used a viva voce election. We may have more nominations this year though. A viva voce election would not be appropriate with only one candidate and - obviously - no requirement for a ballot vote. What would you do if the nays were in the majority? Since there is an obligation to elect someone, RONR says that with only one candidate and no requirement for a ballot vote, the chair should just declare the single candidate elected by acclamation (p. 443, ll. 7-12). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Goodwiller, PRP Posted December 15, 2017 at 10:01 PM Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 at 10:01 PM So my question is, why is the assumption that if there are two candidates, you move to a "roll call" vote? Most associations that have rules about elections go in the other direction - and "protect" the secrecy of elections by requiring a ballot vote in such cases - lest those who won or lost then either favor or hold a grudge against those who voted a certain way. Unless your rules require a roll call vote, it would be far more usual to go to a ballot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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