Lee Smith Posted January 9, 2023 at 02:34 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 at 02:34 PM Board motions require a second unless the motion originates from a committee. Question: What is the impact upon any previously approved board motion that originated from a committee (no second was obtained) if the authoring committee is required to have 6 to 9 members approved by the board—but, in fact, only 2 committee members (both board members) were approved by the board? Stated another way: Does the lack of a properly staffed committee that authored motions impact the status of board motions approved by the board (without a second) that originated from that same improperly staffed committee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Elsman Posted January 9, 2023 at 02:59 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 at 02:59 PM None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryn Ann Harlos Posted January 9, 2023 at 04:38 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 at 04:38 PM (edited) It is worth noting the proper purpose of a second is not some fatal flaw if not obtained. After debate has begun (or a vote if no debate was offered) is taken it is too late to object that no second was obtained (4:13). The purpose of a second, to wit: Quote The requirement of a second is for the chair's guidance whether to state the question on the motion, thus placing it before the assembly. Its purposes is to prevent from from being consumed by the assembly's having to dispose of a motion that only one person wants to see introduced. (RONR (12th ed.) 4:12) Edited January 9, 2023 at 06:08 PM by Caryn Ann Harlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted January 9, 2023 at 05:39 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 at 05:39 PM On 1/9/2023 at 9:34 AM, Lee Smith said: Board motions require a second unless the motion originates from a committee. Question: What is the impact upon any previously approved board motion that originated from a committee (no second was obtained) if the authoring committee is required to have 6 to 9 members approved by the board—but, in fact, only 2 committee members (both board members) were approved by the board? Stated another way: Does the lack of a properly staffed committee that authored motions impact the status of board motions approved by the board (without a second) that originated from that same improperly staffed committee? Moving the recommendations of a committee does not require a second. Presuming the committee itself comprised more than one person, the requirement that more than one person wishes to consider it has already been met, since it was approved by a majority of the committee. The fact that the board failed to complete appointments to the committee is not fatal to the process, especially since it seems no Point of Order was raised at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted January 9, 2023 at 05:44 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 at 05:44 PM (edited) On 1/9/2023 at 8:34 AM, Lee Smith said: Question: What is the impact upon any previously approved board motion that originated from a committee (no second was obtained) if the authoring committee is required to have 6 to 9 members approved by the board—but, in fact, only 2 committee members (both board members) were approved by the board? None. The fact that the committee is not fully populated does not affect the validity of its report or the motion resulting therefrom, especially if no point of order was raised at the time of the report. On 1/9/2023 at 8:34 AM, Lee Smith said: Stated another way: Does the lack of a properly staffed committee that authored motions impact the status of board motions approved by the board (without a second) that originated from that same improperly staffed committee? No. Agreeing with Ms. Harlos, the lack of a second becomes immaterial once debate has begun or the motion has otherwise been acted upon. In addition, as I stated above, since the motion (or the recommendation) originated in a committee of more than one person, no second was required. The fact that the committee was not fully populated is not fatal to its report. Edited January 9, 2023 at 05:47 PM by Richard Brown Edited last paragraph. I posted before I was finished editing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Smith Posted January 9, 2023 at 06:03 PM Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 at 06:03 PM Thanks to all. The explanations about the role of the second in the motion advancement process are helpful whether the committee was property staffed or not. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryn Ann Harlos Posted January 9, 2023 at 06:07 PM Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 at 06:07 PM On 1/9/2023 at 11:03 AM, Lee Smith said: Thanks to all. The explanations about the role of the second in the motion advancement process are helpful whether the committee was property staffed or not. Thank you. You are very welcome. That is often misunderstood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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