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  1. No. "The official record of the proceedings of a deliberative assembly is usually called the minutes, or sometimes—particularly in legislative bodies—the journal. In an ordinary society, the minutes should contain mainly a record of what was done at the meeting, not what was said by the members." RONR (11th ed.), p. 468, emphasis added by me. That would include you asking a question, and the answer to that question. Even if it is the association's custom to have such a heading in its order of business, the members may adopt a motion to adjourn the meeting prior to reaching that item. See the second paragraph of §21. ADJOURN , beginning on p. 233.
  2. The proper motion to set the adjourned meeting is the motion to Fix the Time to Which to Adjourn, yes. Obviously your rule contains restrictions, but simply follow them. Remember if the motion is made when no question is pending, it is a main motion. After that is dealt with the meeting without a quorum can adopt a regular motion to adjourn it.
  3. Was a motion made and a vote taken, or was the action agreed to by unanimous consent (see pp. 54-56)?
  4. As a practical matter this question probably can't be answered (by your group) without the exact text of the motion that was adopted. Once it's found in the minutes, your group can follow the advice Mr. Lages has given you and your group can then determine what action, if any, is necessary.
  5. The same way you do if one was present, since setting an adjourned meeting is one of the things RONR specifically says you can do without a quorum. See RONR (11th ed.), pp. 347-348.
  6. The answers are no and no (unless authorized by the membership in certain circumstances). If the society's regular sessions are held within a quarterly time interval (pp. 89-90), the reading and approval of the minutes is first item of business under the standard order of business. RONR (11th ed.), pp. 353-355. If society's sessions are held less often than a quarterly time interval, the board or a committee appointed for the purpose should be authorized to approve the minutes. RONR (11th ed.), pp. 474-475. The board cannot take it upon themselves to approve those minutes though. It must be authorized by the membership. Not having approved minutes is simply not acceptable.
  7. If the term of office of treasurer is for 2 years according to your bylaws, he will serve as treasurer for 2 years, because your bylaws say so. No rule in RONR says that his service time in another office counts towards a new office which he is elected to.
  8. There is no requirement that it be read and it doesn't need to be included in the minutes. RONR simply notes "At each meeting of a society, the chair may ask for a "Treasurer's report," which may consist simply of a verbal statement of the cash balance on hand—or of this balance less outstanding obligations. Such a report requires no action by the assembly. " RONR (11th ed.), p. 477 (But I've never encountered a group that doesn't have some portions of it read. Maybe I need to get out more)
  9. No rule in RONR prohibits them from running for a different position and no rule in RONR requires them to resign from their current position to do so, therefore the answers are Yes and Yes.
  10. I didn't do anything but ask a question but you're welcome. Yes, the CD is awesome.
  11. On p. 88, the book explains what it takes to appoint a chairman pro tem beyond the current session. Would the same rule apply to a secretary pro tem? (yes, I know RONR doesn't say it would) Or would it not be possible to do so at all?
  12. When the proposed amendment is debatable, the member who made the motion to amend will be entitled to preference in recognition. See "PREFERENCE IN RECOGNITION WHEN A DEBATABLE QUESTION IS IMMEDIATELY PENDING. " RONR (11th ed.), pp. 379-80 Also, another member may not simply just jump in a move for the Previous Question. He has to be assigned the floor. See https://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html#11
  13. Sure. The purpose of the recount is to determine of the first count was accurate. If it was, it's still too late to raise a point of order. A recount doesn't take you back in time to when a point of order would be timely.
  14. Yes, but a timely point of order would be required, so I'm not so concerned and neither is SGVeep, it seems, and it doesn't really have anything to do with his question.
  15. Not directly, but: "The official record of the proceedings of a deliberative assembly is usually called the minutes, or sometimes—particularly in legislative bodies—the journal." RONR (11th ed.), p. 468 A committee is not a deliberative assembly. See §1. THE DELIBERATIVE ASSEMBLY
  16. Here is the rule in RONR: "Nominees. Although it is not common for the nominating committee to nominate more than one candidate for any office, the committee can do so unless the bylaws prohibit it. It is usually not sound to require the committee to nominate more than one candidate for each office, since the committee can easily circumvent such a provision by nominating only one person who has any chance of being elected (see also p. 573). " RONR (11th ed.), p. 433 emphasis added by me. So it's up to the committee unless the bylaws say otherwise.
  17. Taking things in reverse order, the minutes of the meeting at which this amendment was adopted must reflect the change in its entirety and will be memorialized that way, but if you don't update the bylaws document itself to incorporate the change, as a practical matter that's a bad idea. No rule requires any document other than the minutes be signed (by the Secretary), and if you're updating the bylaws document to incorporate the change it's a good idea to put January 2020, or some such reference to show the last update (but that's not a rule in RONR that I've ever seen).
  18. Mr. Honemann addressed this in this thread https://robertsrules.forumflash.com/topic/30575-motion-arising-from-officers-report/?tab=comments#comment-177242
  19. Two things first: 1) RONR does not require committees to keep minutes. 2) No vote is taken on the final approval of the minutes because, after any corrections are dealt with, the chair simply declares them approved without a vote. RONR (11th ed.), pp. 354-355 That said " It should be noted that a member's absence from the meeting for which minutes are being approved does not prevent the member from participating in their correction or approval. " RONR (11th ed.), p. 355
  20. I am very sorry to hear about John's passing. Aside from his great many contributions here and in NAP and AIP that we benefited from, he was just a really nice man to talk to when I would see him at NAP Conventions and will be missed by us all.
  21. No. Under the rules in RONR, a majority of the votes cast is required to elect someone to office. If that's not achieved on the first ballot be prepared to re-ballot, perhaps multiple times, until someone does reach that threshold.
  22. There are no restrictions on participation on other boards and see https://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html#9
  23. If the vote was not counted: "Ms. Y moved to approve ______________. The motion was adopted." If the vote was counted: "Ms. Y moved to approve ______________. There were 8 votes in favor and 2 opposed and the motion was adopted." The fact that the motion was not seconded is not recorded and how Ms. A and Ms. B is not recorded at all. The only time to record how the members voted is when a vote is taken by roll call. See §48. MINUTES AND REPORTS OF OFFICERS beginning on p. 468 in RONR (11th ed.).
  24. Okay, I understand now what you were referring to but in the original post it mentions recording all 7 names and their votes, and Mr. Martin's reply does seem to endorse that it's okay to do so, which is why I agree with Mr. Elsman's response at the time he made it. They didn't vote by roll call but they want the minutes to basically show that they did which I don't think is proper. Whether recording 3 member's dissenting votes is a stretch for a request for any other privilege I'm not sure about, but it seems like it at first blush. But I do respectfully disagree that Mr. Elsman's response was irrelevant.
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