Guest mk Posted July 6, 2012 at 03:29 AM Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 at 03:29 AM A motion was made by a board member, seconded and carried to make the Society's manager an ex officio member of all standing committees. She has been attending those committee meetings.New board members have been elected and they wish to rescind this motion. It this possible since the manager has been attending meetings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wynn Posted July 6, 2012 at 03:46 AM Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 at 03:46 AM A motion was made by a board member, seconded and carried to make the Society's manager an ex officio member of all standing committees. She has been attending those committee meetings.New board members have been elected and they wish to rescind this motion. It this possible since the manager has been attending meetings?It's questionable whether the board had the authority to adopt such a rule in the first place, but, if the board properly adopted the rule, it can rescind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted July 6, 2012 at 03:50 AM Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 at 03:50 AM It's questionable whether the board had the authority to adopt such a rule in the first place, but, if the board properly adopted the rule, it can rescind it.Is it even possible to create an ex officio committee member by a normal motion? Wouldn't something like that need to be put in the bylaws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh49 Posted July 6, 2012 at 05:21 AM Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 at 05:21 AM Is it even possible to create an ex officio committee member by a normal motion? Wouldn't something like that need to be put in the bylaws?IMO if the committee is named in the bylaws no but if it was created by motion yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary c Tesser Posted July 6, 2012 at 07:23 AM Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 at 07:23 AM ...I half agree with Alan, which I frequently do when I infrequently know what's good for me. Back half first. Although RONR when talks about ex-officio members, it mostly talks about bylaw provisions having to do with them; but ISTM that there's nothing intrinsically bylaws-level about populating committees.Hmm, front half simpler now. ISTM that when the bylaws establish a certain committee, if the bylaws cared about how the committee was populated, they'd have said so.I suspect that the motion would have to be a special rule of order, but I'm vacillating on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Cisar Posted July 6, 2012 at 08:38 AM Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 at 08:38 AM Hmm, front half simpler now. ISTM that when the bylaws establish a certain committee, if the bylaws cared about how the committee was populated, they'd have said so.I suspect that the motion would have to be a special rule of order, but I'm vacillating on it.Could it not be taken that the bylaws did not finish the rules for a committee by saying who the members are. Thus the proper authority for naming members could name an office to the committee making for an ex officio member. A broad resolution naming an office to all standing committees is just filling many with one motion. I do not see any rule being violated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ed Posted July 6, 2012 at 02:41 PM Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 at 02:41 PM The question is if the Board has the power to rescind the motion. The answer is yes. As there is doubt whether or not this motion was legitimate - a new Board member could first raise a Point of Order to question the validity of the motion as the By-laws should allow for this. If the Chairman does not agree, the member could appeal the decision (another member could second the appeal if required) and then have the Board vote on the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mk Posted July 7, 2012 at 06:11 PM Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 at 06:11 PM Thank you all for your opinions. In order to ensure that the motion is rescinded, would someone please give us point by point, the correct way to rescind the motion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted July 7, 2012 at 06:49 PM Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 at 06:49 PM Thank you all for your opinions. In order to ensure that the motion is rescinded, would someone please give us point by point, the correct way to rescind the motion?Read RONR pp. 305-310. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trina Posted July 7, 2012 at 09:44 PM Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 at 09:44 PM Thank you all for your opinions. In order to ensure that the motion is rescinded, would someone please give us point by point, the correct way to rescind the motion?If you don't need all the detailed 'point by points', RONRIB (RONR In Brief) also covers the motion to rescind, in about two pages (around p. 60, although I don't have the newer version of RONRIB in front of me to give an exact citation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Britton Posted July 7, 2012 at 09:55 PM Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 at 09:55 PM Could it not be taken that the bylaws did not finish the rules for a committee by saying who the members are. Thus the proper authority for naming members could name an office to the committee making for an ex officio member. A broad resolution naming an office to all standing committees is just filling many with one motion. I do not see any rule being violated.Hi Dr. Cisar:My question is can this be done as you described. I'm looking at Robert's, p.579 (line 24) regarding the bylaw article regarding committees: "This section may also provide that certain officers- for example the president - "shall be exofficio a member of all committees except the Nominating Committee." In that case, the president has that right, but not the duty, to participating in the work of the committees. Without such a provision, he has no vote wihtin the committees, nor can he attend their meetings except as invited by a particular committee.I also realize that perhaps dependent on other bylaws provisions, that the manager may not be an officer of the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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