Netgnat Posted April 28, 2014 at 01:27 AM Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 at 01:27 AM Is a vote in abstention considered a cast vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted April 28, 2014 at 01:33 AM Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 at 01:33 AM There is no such a thing as an "abstention vote" since an abstention by definition means you didn't vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netgnat Posted April 28, 2014 at 01:42 AM Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 at 01:42 AM Thank you Henry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted April 28, 2014 at 02:49 PM Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 at 02:49 PM Is a vote in abstention considered a cast vote?No. When one abstains, voting is what one is abstaining from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kathy Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:53 PM Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:53 PM Where can I get an "Abstention Certificate" ie one of my supervisors must abstain when voting to pay a utility invoice for electricity due to the supervisors working for an affiliate company. We were told that he could fill out an "abstention certificate" so that he did not have to state his reason for abstaining for the record at every meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Guest Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:58 PM Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:58 PM Where can I get an "Abstention Certificate"? That's a good question. Unfortunately, you won't find an answer here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted October 28, 2014 at 09:25 PM Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 09:25 PM Where can I get an "Abstention Certificate" ie one of my supervisors must abstain when voting to pay a utility invoice for electricity due to the supervisors working for an affiliate company. We were told that he could fill out an "abstention certificate" so that he did not have to state his reason for abstaining for the record at every meeting.I've never heard of an "abstention certificate". As Mr. Guest pointed out, there is no such thing mentioned in RONR. To the contrary, RONR specifies that one does not have to give a reason when abstaining. One simply abstains. However, if your organization has a special rule on the subject, then that rule probably takes priority over RONR. Also, if this is a public body of some sort, state and/or local laws re abstaining from certain votes might apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 29, 2014 at 06:34 PM Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 at 06:34 PM Where can I get an "Abstention Certificate" ie one of my supervisors must abstain when voting to pay a utility invoice for electricity due to the supervisors working for an affiliate company. We were told that he could fill out an "abstention certificate" so that he did not have to state his reason for abstaining for the record at every meeting.I can't even fathom why he would need to abstain in the first place. The only reason that RONR recommends abstaining, is if the vote is on a question in which he or she has a direct personal or pecuniary interest not in common with others. Working for the company has no direct link to paying the invoice. If the society does not pay the bill, the lights will get turned off not only for him, but for the entire society. And if the utility company does not get a check from the society, he will not lose his job, nor will he get promoted if they do. Maybe, if he were the sole proprietor of a company that was doing business with the society, he would be better off abstaining, but even so, that would make sense if the question was which of several companies to hire, but paying the bills that you've already racked up is something that one would assume would garner fairly unanimous support. Unless your group is Congress. Also, members cannot be asked and need not supply a reason for abstaining. One can abstain for any reason--or no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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