Jay M. Newberger Posted March 21, 2016 at 03:28 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 at 03:28 PM Our HOA is too small in numbers able to afford to hire a professional parliamentarian. May the chair appoint a member to serve in this capacity without the member being prohibited from engaging in discussion and voting? If so, where in RONR is the authority? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted March 21, 2016 at 03:31 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 at 03:31 PM RONR (11th ed., p. 467), discusses the member parliamentarian. In order to allow the member parliamentarian to routinely debate and make motions and vote when the vote is not by ballot (even though he retains his right to do so), a special rule of order (RONR, pp. 15-17) will need to be adopted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted March 21, 2016 at 03:58 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 at 03:58 PM 28 minutes ago, Jay M. Newberger said: Our HOA is too small in numbers able to afford to hire a professional parliamentarian. May the chair appoint a member to serve in this capacity without the member being prohibited from engaging in discussion and voting? If so, where in RONR is the authority? Thanks! Why do you want to have a parliamentarian? Nothing in RONR requires it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay M. Newberger Posted March 21, 2016 at 05:15 PM Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 at 05:15 PM Our chair and others want a parliamentarian to assist the chair in ruling on challenges to the chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted March 21, 2016 at 05:37 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 at 05:37 PM For openers, get your chair a copy of RONRIB. If he/she behaves, in the chair, the way the book describes a chair should, he won't be challenged. RONRIB: "Roberts Rules of Order Newly Revised In Brief", Updated Second Edition (Da Capo Press, Perseus Books Group, 2011). It is a splendid summary of all the rules you will really need in all but the most exceptional situations. And only $7.50! You can read it in an evening. Get both RONRIB and RONR (scroll down) at this link. Or in your local bookstore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldon Merritt Posted March 21, 2016 at 05:46 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 at 05:46 PM 5 minutes ago, jstackpo said: If he/she behaves, in the chair, the way the book describes a chair should, he won't be challenged. That asssumes that the members understand the rules and behave the way they should. I wouldn't say the chair won't be challenges. but at least if he is, he probably has a good chance of being sustained on appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted March 21, 2016 at 06:36 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 at 06:36 PM Another option, besides having a member parliamentarian, is for the chair to do as suggested on page 254 and call on an "experienced member" for advice on questions of parliamentary procedure. That way, no member has to give up his rights to fully participate in order to serve as parliamentarian and the organization does not need to adopt a special rule of order which allows a member parliamentarian to participate the same as all other members. Here's the precise language from page 254: "Before rendering his decision, the chair can consult the parliamentarian, if there is one. The chair can also request the advice of experienced members, but no one has the right to express such opinions in the meeting unless requested to do so by the chair." Perhaps one of your members who is knowledgeable in parliamentary procedure will be willing to serve unofficially as that "experienced member". My own local NAP unit adopted a special rule of order which allows a member parliamentarian to participate as fully as all other members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted March 21, 2016 at 06:41 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 at 06:41 PM 1 hour ago, Jay M. Newberger said: Our chair and others want a parliamentarian to assist the chair in ruling on challenges to the chair. I agree with Mr. Brown. You are talking about appointing a member (who most likely knows next to nothing about parliamentary law) to serve as parliamentarian (and give up his rights as a member), when there is probably no need at all to do so. If the chair wants advice at any time from any knowledgeable member, he can ask for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted March 21, 2016 at 06:44 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 at 06:44 PM 5 minutes ago, Richard Brown said: Another option, besides having a member parliamentarian, is for the chair to do as suggested on page 254 and call on an "experienced member" for advice on questions of parliamentary procedure. That way, no member has to give up his rights to fully participate in order to serve as parliamentarian and the organization does not need to adopt a special rule of order which allows a member parliamentarian to participate the same as all other members. Here's the precise language from page 254: "Before rendering his decision, the chair can consult the parliamentarian, if there is one. The chair can also request the advice of experienced members, but no one has the right to express such opinions in the meeting unless requested to do so by the chair." Perhaps one of your members who is knowledgeable in parliamentary procedure will be willing to serve unofficially as that "experienced member". My own local NAP unit adopted a special rule of order which allows a member parliamentarian to participate as fully as all other members. Perhaps your NAP unit should have followed the advice you gave in your first paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Mervosh Posted March 21, 2016 at 06:53 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 at 06:53 PM 3 minutes ago, Daniel H. Honemann said: Perhaps your NAP unit should have followed the advice you gave in your first paragraph. Well, if his unit is anything like the 2FP, everyone's an experienced member after the second or third Beefeaters, neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Honemann Posted March 21, 2016 at 07:25 PM Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 at 07:25 PM 28 minutes ago, George Mervosh said: Well, if his unit is anything like the 2FP, everyone's an experienced member after the second or third Beefeaters, neat. I'm quite certain there has never been an NAP unit anything like the 2FP, anywhere or at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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