bobby1011 Posted October 13, 2017 at 03:07 PM Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 at 03:07 PM My wife is a long-time member of a non-profit recreational organization. The current by-laws state on dissolution the assets, after debt is paid up, are to be distributed to non-profits engaged in similar activities. A change is being proposed where on dissolution the assets will be distributed in the following way--5% to a similar non-profit and the balance (95%) to the membership who have been members for more than 10 years. I've looked at about 5 or 6 different on-line sites about this topic (federal and state) and it doesn't appear that this can be done. Appreciate any thoughts and comments. Thank you, bobby1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted October 13, 2017 at 03:11 PM Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 at 03:11 PM If your claim is that it can't be done because of some law or statute, that's beyond the scope of this forum. It's also something that calls for consultation with an attorney, not a google search. If it's a parliamentary question, I don't see any reason the bylaws cannot be changed in this manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby1011 Posted October 13, 2017 at 04:52 PM Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 at 04:52 PM Jonathan: Thanks for getting back so quickly. I understand and agree with your point about the by-laws and the ability of the membership to change them. My question, and I'm neither a lawyer or a tax authority, deals with the effect of this action, if it passes, on the status of the organization. When I became aware that this approach was being considered, I suggested that both a lawyer and a tax accountant be consulted; I don't know whether this has happened. I was hopeful that some member of this forum might have had exposure to this issue and had some comments/advice on how to proceed. bobby1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Brown Posted October 13, 2017 at 05:12 PM Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 at 05:12 PM (edited) If you are incorporated as a non profit corporation or if you have tax exempt status with the IRS, you need to consult with an attorney and/or a tax accountant. Most, if not all, state non profit corporation statutes have strict provisions dealing with the distribution of assets upon dissolution. So does the IRS. That is s legal question, not a parliamentary one. From a parliamentary standpoint, you can provide for almost anything you want to in your bylaws, but it might not be legal and might carry adverse legal consequences. Edited October 13, 2017 at 05:15 PM by Richard Brown Added last paragraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby1011 Posted October 13, 2017 at 05:25 PM Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 at 05:25 PM Mr. Brown: Thanks for your response. It's very similar to what I suggested when I was informed that this action was being considered. My hope is that the organization followed this advice. bobby1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Katz Posted October 14, 2017 at 04:28 AM Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 at 04:28 AM 11 hours ago, bobby1011 said: Jonathan: Thanks for getting back so quickly. I understand and agree with your point about the by-laws and the ability of the membership to change them. My question, and I'm neither a lawyer or a tax authority, deals with the effect of this action, if it passes, on the status of the organization. When I became aware that this approach was being considered, I suggested that both a lawyer and a tax accountant be consulted; I don't know whether this has happened. I was hopeful that some member of this forum might have had exposure to this issue and had some comments/advice on how to proceed. bobby1011 That makes sense, but it is beyond the scope of what we can answer on this forum. It is, as far as I can tell, a legal question dependent at least in part on state law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby1011 Posted October 14, 2017 at 11:43 AM Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 at 11:43 AM Jonathan: Thanks for following up. I'm just very concerned that this proposed by-law change may be implemented without proper professional attention, consideration and knowledge. bobby1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 14, 2017 at 12:00 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 at 12:00 PM And just why should your bylaw amendments get such special treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby1011 Posted October 14, 2017 at 12:20 PM Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 at 12:20 PM jstackpo: I don't understand your comment or the reference to Proverbs 15:1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Harrison Posted October 14, 2017 at 01:05 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 at 01:05 PM 39 minutes ago, bobby1011 said: jstackpo: I don't understand your comment or the reference to Proverbs 15:1 All too often we see questions here concerning bylaws that obviously weren't well considered by the members and they didn't seek outside help to assist with them. The reference to Proverbs 15:1 is his signature and doesn't have anything to do with his response (I don't think ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby1011 Posted October 14, 2017 at 04:56 PM Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 at 04:56 PM Chris: Thanks for the clarification. bobby101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nancy N. Posted October 14, 2017 at 08:24 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 at 08:24 PM At the risk of being tedious, who's Jonathan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby1011 Posted October 14, 2017 at 10:31 PM Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 at 10:31 PM Nancy: Sorry for the confusion--I mixed up my responder's name. bobby1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Novosielski Posted October 14, 2017 at 11:18 PM Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 at 11:18 PM On 10/13/2017 at 12:52 PM, bobby1011 said: Jonathan: Thanks for getting back so quickly. I understand and agree with your point about the by-laws and the ability of the membership to change them. My question, and I'm neither a lawyer or a tax authority, deals with the effect of this action, if it passes, on the status of the organization. When I became aware that this approach was being considered, I suggested that both a lawyer and a tax accountant be consulted; I don't know whether this has happened. I was hopeful that some member of this forum might have had exposure to this issue and had some comments/advice on how to proceed. bobby1011 I have had indirect exposure to this issue with a non-profit that I was associated with. It did not dissolve, but I know it had similar language in the bylaws, that assets would, in that event, be distributed to similar non-profits. When I asked why, it was explained to me that if you're distributing assets to members, this could change your status from non-profit to for-profit. I suppose that makes sense. But I am no lawyer, and have no experience with an actual dissolution, and even if I were, or did, I could not give legal advice here. I only know enough to say that your instincts on consulting a tax attorney and/or tax accountant are good instincts, and should be followed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstackpo Posted October 15, 2017 at 12:44 AM Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 at 12:44 AM 12 hours ago, bobby1011 said: jstackpo: I don't understand your comment or the reference to Proverbs 15:1 In case anybody still wonders... at one point Dan H. had a tagline reading "Beware the Wrath of Dan" in the "initial block" to the left of the comments block. A reference to one of the Star Trek movies, I believe. I thought a little reference to "turning away wrath" might help. Perhaps it is time for a new quote -- I'll see what I can find... And as far as what I said: "And just why should your bylaw ..." - a bit of a joke: it is a rare bylaw amendment that does indeed get the sort of proper scrutiny that you, bobby1011, describe; your concern would be exceptional, and wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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